Thinking of getting vaccinated?

[Katman]

where is your bleeding heart Sympathies for the thousands of Dead school children from Measles outbreaks?

And would you care to elaborate on the "thousands of dead school children" from any recent measles outbreaks?

Because in 2009 there was an outbreak of measles in Bulgaria that affected 24,000 people of which 24 died.

Ukraine had an outbreak in 2001-2002 which affected 25,000 people with 14 deaths. They had another outbreak in 2006 affecting 44,000 people - with "at least 2 deaths".

Germany had an outbreak in 2001 affecting 6,000 people - with "at least 2 deaths". They had another outbreak in 2015 affecting 1,700 people - with 1 death.

From 2008 to 2012 there were 22,000 cases of measles in France - with 10 deaths.

Japan had an outbreak in 2000 affecting 200,000 people - with 88 deaths.

So from just those examples alone we've got 323,000 people contracting measles - with only 141 deaths.

Over the same 15 year period we've probably managed to kill about the same number of children, here in New Zealand alone, through acts of domestic violence.

So are you sure you're not just over-sensationalising things a little?

[husaberg]

And would you care to elaborate on the "thousands of dead school children" from any recent measles outbreaks?

Because in 2009 there was an outbreak of measles in Bulgaria that affected 24,000 people of which 24 died.

Ukraine had an outbreak in 2001-2002 which affected 25,000 people with 14 deaths. They had another outbreak in 2006 affecting 44,000 people - with "at least 2 deaths".

Germany had an outbreak in 2001 affecting 6,000 people - with "at least 2 deaths". They had another outbreak in 2015 affecting 1,700 people - with 1 death.

From 2008 to 2012 there were 22,000 cases of measles in France - with 10 deaths.

Japan had an outbreak in 2000 affecting 200,000 people - with 88 deaths.

So from just those examples alone we've got 323,000 people contracting measles - with only 141 deaths.

Over the same 15 year period we've probably managed to kill about the same number of children, here in New Zealand alone, through acts of domestic violence.

So are you sure you're not just over-sensationalising things a little?

Winner winner chicken diner that would have to be the most hypocritical thing you have ever said. (Now that’s saying something)

Measles has a more than 50% death rate for New Zealand children with low immunity, such as those receiving cancer treatment. To protect these children, it’s important we and our families are immunised so that we cannot spread the illness. http://www.health.govt.nz/your-healt...nesses/measles

Measles is one of the leading causes of death among young children even though a safe and cost-effective vaccine is available.
In 2015, there were 134 200 measles deaths globally – about 367 deaths every day or 15 deaths every hour.
Measles vaccination resulted in a 79% drop in measles deaths between 2000 and 2015 worldwide.
In 2015, about 85% of the world's children received one dose of measles vaccine by their first birthday through routine health services – up from 73% in 2000.
During 2000-2015, measles vaccination prevented an estimated 20.3 million deaths making measles vaccine one of the best buys in public health.
Measles is a highly contagious, serious disease caused by a virus. In 1980, before widespread vaccination, measles caused an estimated 2.6 million deaths each year.
The disease remains one of the leading causes of death among young children globally, despite the availability of a safe and effective vaccine. Approximately 134 200 people died from measles in 2015 – mostly children under the age of 5.
Measles is caused by a virus in the paramyxovirus family and it is normally passed through direct contact and through the air. The virus infects the respiratory tract , then spreads throughout the body. Measles is a human disease and is not known to occur in animals.
Accelerated immunization activities have had a major impact on reducing measles deaths. During 2000-2015, measles vaccination prevented an estimated 20.3 million deaths. Global measles deaths have decreased by 79% from an estimated 651 600 in 2000* to 134 200 in 2015.
http://www.who.int/mediacentre/factsheets/fs286/en/

[Katman]

Winner winner chicken diner

Read my signature.

[Katman]

A quote from the US Department of Health and Human Services Federal Register June 1, 1984.......

"....any possible doubts, whether or not well-founded, about the safety of the vaccine cannot be allowed to exist in view of the need to ensure the vaccine will continue to be used to the maximum extent consistent with the nation's public health objectives".

[husaberg]

A quote from the US Department of Health and Human Services Federal Register June 1, 1984.......

"....any possible doubts, whether or not well-founded, about the safety of the vaccine cannot be allowed to exist in view of the need to ensure the vaccine will continue to be used to the maximum extent consistent with the nation's public health objectives".

http://www.beyondconformity.co.nz/_l..._Register_1984
In the 12-year period 1969 through 1980, approximately 290 million doses of oral poliovirus vaccine were distributed and 92 cases of paralytic poliomyelitis associated with the vaccine were reported to CDC (1 case per 3.3 million doses distributed). In 1933, a total of eight cases of paralytic poliomyelitis were reported to CDC. In 1982, the World Health Organization (WHO) Consultive Group on Live Poliomyelitis nations in the study. Accordingly, FDA finds that the low neurovirulence of the currently licensed oral poliovirus vaccine has been demonstrated thoroughly throughout its history of manufacture.
As discussed above, questions have been raised in litigation about whether the vaccine used in the clinical trials conducted in 1962 for the approval of the sole license for oral poliovirus vaccine met all of the technical requirements in § 630.11. FDA believes it is in the interest of the public health to make the amendment effective as soon as possible to make certain that questions concerning whether the vaccine lots used in the original clinical trials technically conformed with the requirements of the additional standards in 21 CFR 630.10 to 630.17 do not cast doubt on the safety of the vaccine and on the continued viability of the polio immunization program. As noted above, oral poliovirus vaccine is the vaccine of choice in the United States. As a result of the use of the vaccine, cases of paralytic poliomyelitis have been reduced from 18,000 in 1953 to only 8 cases in 1983. Moreover, the several minor outbreaks of poliomyelitis arising in 1970,1972, and 1979 in unimmunized populations in the United States and abroad make clear that the immunization program is essential to the protection of the public health. FDA emphasizes that the lots used in the clinical trials submitted in support of the license were properly judged to be safe for purposes of the initial licensure decision and that, in view of the technical nature of any possible .deficiencies in the lots, FDA does not believe, that action to revoke the license under § 601.5 is warranted. However, although the continued availability of the vaccine may not be in immediate jeopardy, any possible doubts, whether or not well founded, about the safety of the vaccine cannot be allowed to exist in view of the need to assure that the vaccine will continue to be used to the maximum extent consistent with the nation's public health objectives. Accordingly, because of the importance of the vaccine and of maintaining public confidence in the immunization program that depends on it, good cause emsts to issue these amendments as a final rule effective immediately. The fact that the amendment relieves a restriction also justifies making the rule effective immediately

Egg.....................1 case per 3.3 million doses for an oral vacine for polio

Polio (poliomyelitis) mainly affects children under 5 years of age.
1 in 200 infections leads to irreversible paralysis. Among those paralysed, 5% to 10% die when their breathing muscles become immobilized.
Polio cases have decreased by over 99% since 1988, from an estimated 350 000 cases then, to 74 reported cases in 2015. The reduction is the result of the global effort to eradicate the disease.
As long as a single child remains infected, children in all countries are at risk of contracting polio. Failure to eradicate polio from these last remaining strongholds could result in as many as 200 000 new cases every year, within 10 years, all over the world.http://www.who.int/mediacentre/factsheets/fs114/en/

[Katman]

Egg.....................1 case per 3.3 million doses for an oral vacine for polio

Regardless of whether you put it in supersized font or not, it doesn't change the actual words.

"....any possible doubts, whether or not well-founded, about the safety of the vaccine cannot be allowed to exist...."

[husaberg]

Regardless of whether you put it in supersized font or not, it doesn't change the actual words.

"....any possible doubts, whether or not well-founded, about the safety of the vaccine cannot be allowed to exist...."

With 1 death per 3.3 million doses for a polio vaccine thats lowered the incidence of the disease by 99% A disease where 1 in 200 infections leads to irreversible paralysis. Among those paralysed, 5% to 10% die when their breathing muscles become immobilized. yeah right good one egg.......

[Katman]

With 1 death per 3.3 million doses for a polio vaccine thats lowered the incidence of the disease by 99% A disease where 1 in 200 infections leads to irreversible paralysis. Among those paralysed, 5% to 10% die when their breathing muscles become immobilized. yeah right good one egg.......

So even well-founded doubts about the vaccine were not allowed to exist.

Says a lot about the integrity of an idea if one isn't allowed to question it - even if well-founded questions arise.

[husaberg]

So even well-founded doubts about the vaccine were not allowed to exist.

Says a lot about the integrity of an idea if one isn't allowed to question it - even if well-founded questions arise.

Which part of 1 death per 3.3 million doses do you not understand.............
Math isn't really your strong point, much like yokel.........
I for one are very glad you never managed to sucessfully pass on your genetics.

[Katman]

Which part of 1 death per 3.3 million doses do you not understand

What part of 'well-founded doubts' do you not understand?

[Drew]

What part of 'well-founded doubts' do you not understand?

The 'we'll founded' bit you fucking moron.

[Katman]

The 'we'll founded' bit you fucking moron.

What the fuck does 'we'll founded' mean?

Perhaps if you're going to call someone a fucking moron it would be wise to proof read your post first.

[husaberg]

What part of 'well-founded doubts' do you not understand?

One death per 3.3 million doses of vaccine for some anti vaccination zealots far beyond what is too risky, This is due to paranoia and a lack of decisive decision making skills, to comprehend that this is incredibly a low ratio. Especially compared to the very real risk of the disease the vaccination is designed to prevent.
This is mainly due to people such as yourself and other paranoid trolls continually either making up issues or posting data totally out of context.
Your own continued belief that vaccinations are not safe is generally based on extreme paranoia and well know fraud carried out Andrew Wakefield. You continue to hold these belief despite overwhelming evidence that this was totally fabricated. Do we need and further proof that you are not interested in actual facts. Thus your paranoia prevents you from having common sense or decisive decision making skills

[Virago]

A quote from the US Department of Health and Human Services Federal Register June 1, 1984.......

"....any possible doubts, whether or not well-founded, about the safety of the vaccine cannot be allowed to exist in view of the need to ensure the vaccine will continue to be used to the maximum extent consistent with the nation's public health objectives".

And it works. There were no hysterical morons bleating on the internet about informed consent, and believing that the minuscule (virtually non-existent) risk of vaccine related death was much worse than the hugely greater risk of polio death, and extolling people to avoid vaccination. The good old days...

From that point of view the FDA paper should be kept in perspective. It's a 33 year-old document.

[Katman]

From that point of view the FDA paper should be kept in perspective. It's a 33 year-old document.

And it's one that clearly spells out the fact that questions regarding the safety of vaccines, whether well-founded or not, will not be tolerated.