Thinking of getting vaccinated?

[pritch]

Interesting to note too, America has the highest number of vaccines for children within their first 12 months (26 vaccines) and yet they also have one of the highest infant mortality rate for first world countries.

Those two facts would seem to be totally unrelated. We are all hopefully aware that medical treatment in the USA costs, and if you haven't got the cash - tough.
They may have 26 vaccines, or not, but there will be a lot of people who can't afford them and their kids get sick and possibly die. That's OK though, 'cause those people generally don't vote Republican.

[Woodman]

Interesting to note too, America has the highest number of vaccines for children within their first 12 months (26 vaccines) and yet they also have one of the highest infant mortality rate for first world countries.

Just like that graph that meant nothing by itself, this statement also means nothing without a whole lot of other information.

[Katman]

Those two facts would seem to be totally unrelated.

There is a study which indicates they might be more related than you think.

[Katman]

Just like that graph that meant nothing by itself, this statement also means nothing without a whole lot of other information.

Because you asked so nicely.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3170075/

[Woodman]

Because you asked so nicely.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3170075/

Interesting (skim)read. Doesn't point to vaccinations causing the higher infant mortality rate though.

[husaberg]

There is a study which indicates they might be more related than you think.

It might if it actually compared apples with apples.

40% of the difference in how the US measures infant motality is due to the different way they measure it compared to the rest of the world

"Extremely preterm births recorded in some places may be considered a miscarriage or still birth in other countries. Since survival before 22 weeks or under 500 grams is very rare, categorizing these births as live births will inflate reported infant mortality rates (which are reported as a share of live births)."
Oster and her colleagues found that this reporting difference accounts for up to 40 percent of the U.S. infant mortality disadvantage relative to Austria and Finland.http://faculty.chicagobooth.edu/emil...papers/imr.pdf

the rest of the difference is easily explained this is due to lack of ongoing access to free health care,

In fact, infant mortality rates among wealthy Americans are similar to the mortality rates among wealthy Fins and Austrians. The difference is that in Finland and Austria, poor babies are nearly as likely to survive their first years as wealthy ones. In the U.S. - land of opportunity - that is starkly not the case: "there is tremendous inequality in the US, with lower education groups, unmarried and African-American women having much higher infant mortality rates," the authors conclude.
One way of understanding these numbers is by noting that most American babies, regardless of socio-economic status, are born in hospitals. And while in the hospital, American infants receive exceedingly good care - our neo-natal intensive care units are among the best in the world. This may explain why mortality rates in the first few weeks of life are similar in the U.S., Finland and Austria.
But the differences arise after infants are sent home. Poor American families have considerably less access to quality healthcare as their wealthier counterparts.

[Virago]

Did you know......?

The multi-dose flu vaccine contains 50,000 parts per billion of thimerosal.

The allowable limit of mercury in water is 2 parts per billion and anything that has over 200 parts per billion is classified as a toxic hazard.

More meaningless comparison. The average adult consumes a total of 3 litres of water a day. That's in excess of 1,000 litres a year. Compare that to the size of the annual flu jab of around 0.5ml. Toxicity is dependent on dose consumption.

Interesting to note too, America has the highest number of vaccines for children within their first 12 months (26 vaccines) and yet they also have one of the highest infant mortality rate for first world countries.

Official infant mortality rates in the US have little meaning. The main contributing factor to their high rate is the inclusion of early gestational baby deaths, which in other countries are classified as stillborn.

[FJRider]

Did you really?

Or did you just point out where husaberg edited his post?

I trust his word over yours ...

[husaberg]

I trust his word over yours ...

Especially considering the post in question caught him in yet another lie.

Sure right after you admit that the real reason most of the diseases incidence has dropped dramatically since vaccinations started, is that we have effective vaccination programes..

And I haven't questioned that.

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The reality is that dying from measles is an extremely uncommon occurrence these days.

Due to a good vaccination program?

No, due to vastly improved sanitation and nutrition.(Altough the nutrition side could probably be questioned these days).

So then what new sanitation and nutrition initiative caused the very very dramatic turnaround in 1964?
You must know as it is that significant, so come on educate me.

[FJRider]

Did you know......?

The multi-dose flu vaccine contains 50,000 parts per billion of thimerosal.

The allowable limit of mercury in water is 2 parts per billion and anything that has over 200 parts per billion is classified as a toxic hazard.

thimerosol is not Mercury. It contains compounds of either ethylmercury or methylmercury.

I bet you have no idea what concentration of either compound is ... in each of those doses.

[bogan]

More meaningless comparison. The average adult consumes a total of 3 litres of water a day. That's in excess of 1,000 litres a year. Compare that to the size of the annual flu jab of around 0.5ml. Toxicity is dependent on dose consumption.

Not to mention Thiomersol isn't actually mercury, it's just a thing, with a concentration. I mean fuck, nobody tell him that your average drinking water contains more than 900 million parts per billion of di-hydrogen monoxide

[Katman]

thimerosol is not Mercury. It contains compounds of either ethylmercury or methylmercury.

I bet you have no idea what concentration of either compound is ... in each of those doses.

Thimerosal contains ethylmercury.

49.55% by weight is a figure I've heard.

[Virago]

...di-hydrogen monoxide

Nasty stuff. I know of someone who inhaled large quantities of it, they were dead within five minutes.

[bogan]

Thimerosal contains ethylmercury.

49.55% by weight is a figure I've heard.

Wrong. Thimerosal is a compound, ethylmercury is a different compound.

Then you've heard wrong.

It is metabolised into ethylmercury.

Nasty stuff. I know of someone who inhaled large quantities of it, they were dead within five minutes.

That's not the worst bit, we've confirmed Govt action to fly planes around dropping chemicals which cause droplets of the stuff to rain down on the population, jaw dropping stuff!

[husaberg]

Thimerosal contains ethylmercury.

49.55% by weight is a figure I've heard.

Bahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhaaaaaaaaaa
No. Thimerosal hasn’t been used in vaccines for children since 2001.

Ethylmercury clears from blood with a half-life of about 18 days in adults by breakdown into other chemicals, including inorganic mercury. Ethylmercury is eliminated from the brain in about 14 days in infant monkeys. Risk assessment for effects on the nervous system have been made by extrapolating from dose-response relationships for methylmercury
Concerns based on extrapolations from methylmercury caused thiomersal to be removed from U.S. childhood vaccines, starting in 1999. Since then, it has been found that ethylmercury is eliminated from the body and the brain significantly faster than methylmercury, so the late-1990s risk assessments turned out to be overly conservative. Though inorganic mercury metabolized from ethylmercury has a much longer half-life in the brain, at least 120 days, it appears to be much less toxic than the inorganic mercury produced from mercury vapor, for reasons not yet understood.
Clarkson TW, Magos L (2006). "The toxicology of mercury and its chemical compounds.
Clarkson TW, Vyas JB, Ballatori N (2007). "Mechanisms of mercury disposition in the body".