Thinking of getting vaccinated?

[TheDemonLord]

I don't even give a fuck if they choose to vaccinate their children. After all, that is their right as a parent.

But anyone calling for mandatory vaccination can fuck right off with their Nazi eugenics program.

Love the false equivalence there.

But I have to ask - IS it your right as a parent?

It's illegal to withhold Medical care to a child (with some states in the US having an exception on Religious grounds).
There have been several cases where parents who subscribe to loopy dietry fads have been prosecuted where their child has either died or suffered from serious malnutrition, based on their parents attempts to feed them a Vegan diet (for example)

The question then boils down 2fold:

1: Do you agree with both of those legal precedents as being just and valid?
2: Does the opting out of a Vaccine constitute withholding Medical Care (it isn't currently, but it could be argued that it is)

[TheDemonLord]

Yeah, Rwanda never offered any reward.

And thus, we get to a point of agreement.

There is plenty of risk: Dead servicemen and women, Downturn in popular opinion, Global accusations of 'world police', the cost of military equipment and ordinance etc. etc.

And for what? People like you aren't going to be grateful that they intervened. So why would they?

This is the bed that you made.

[Katman]

But I have to ask - IS it your right as a parent?

Are you asking if it's your right as a parent to vaccinate your child?

Perhaps you should learn to read.

[TheDemonLord]

Are you asking if it's your right as a parent to vaccinate your child?

Perhaps you should learn to read.

I guess the concept of a hypothetical question eludes you.

Me personally (as a parent mind you) - I have no right to endanger other peoples children.

I've accepted that there are a few very rare instances where either a pre-existing medical condition or allergy makes vaccination for a specific child unfeasible. As such, the only people that should be allowed to opt-out of being vaccinated are those that do so on valid medical grounds, certified by a qualified Doctor. Everyone else...

[Katman]

I guess the concept of a hypothetical question eludes you.

Bullshit it was a hypothetical question.

The post below was directly addressing my post that you quoted.

But I have to ask - IS it your right as a parent?

You just mis-read the post the way you wanted to read it.

[Katman]

As such, the only people that should be allowed to opt-out of being vaccinated are those that do so on valid medical grounds, certified by a qualified Doctor. Everyone else...

Fuck off you Nazi.

[RDJ]

If America's foreign policy (read, doing Israel's bidding) was really anything other than a repugnant agenda driven process, we might have seen some intervention in Rwanda, don't you think?

FFS here you go again.

"Israel's bidding?"

What about the Americans spilling their blood and spending their treasure to intervene after the Bosnian Muslims were massacred? Was Israel asleep that day and the Joos hadn't sent orders to the White House to stand down? (That was sarcasm in case you hadn't noticed). After all the s**t the US cops for intervening from lackbrain spatterwits like you is it any wonder they do not intervene everywhere?

And do you remember what happened when the US intervened in a previous African atrocity committed by one group of tribes against the other? Yes, in 1993 - just one year before the Rwandan genocide in 1994 - the US tried to help starving Somalians and ended up watching their dead soldiers being dragged through the streets. Black Hawk Down ring a bell in that vacuum skull of yours? So maybe, just maybe, the US figured out that when it tries to help two or more tribes then pretty soon after it puts boots on the ground the tribes turn on the helpers.

BTW, where were the OAU and the UN in Rwanda? Oh that's right, 5 years after the massacre the OUA released in 1999 a report that said it was preventable. But at the time they did sod-all to prevent it. The UN did a little more but after losing 10 Belgian soldiers in another butchery of people trying to help, they stopped.

And maybe you want to try and pass this thought between the two neurones in your cranium; the US like the rest of the world has made a lot of foreign policy mistakes. But one damn good way of noting where is a good place to live and where is not is to see how many people try to ENTER your country - even illegally - rather then LEAVE it. For being the Great Satan and attracting the opprobrium of bien-pensant virtue-signallers like yourself, it sure is funny how people still wanna go there and not, say, the DRC or Riyadh...

[Katman]

What about the Americans spilling their blood and spending their treasure to intervene after the Bosnian Muslims were massacred?

If you actually think they were there out of nothing but the goodness of their hearts, you're a dumber fuck than I ever imagined.

[RDJ]

There are a few very rare instances where either a pre-existing medical condition or allergy makes vaccination for a specific child unfeasible. As such, the only people that should be allowed to opt-out of being vaccinated are those that do so on valid medical grounds, certified by a qualified Doctor. Everyone else...

Yes, this.

There is a small percentage of people both adults and children who should not be vaccinated especially with live vaccines, either ever or for a specific time duration.

There is also a small percentage of people both adults and children who with good immune systems, in good health, and not undergoing any other treatment, do not "seroconvert" and develop measurable antibodies after effective vaccination. (In clinical practice however most people who have been properly vaccinated even if you can't measure their antibody response, turn out to have protection in vivo. But I digress).

If we vaccinate everybody else then the resulting herd immunity will protect the people in the first group. We have seen this over decades.

If we don't vaccinate enough of everybody else that we can, we see the stupidities and morbidities and mortality that are unnecessarily occurring in for example Somali Minnesota and metro upper-middle-class California.

[Katman]

If we don't vaccinate enough of everybody else can we see the stupidities and morbidities and mortality that are unnecessarily occurring in for example Somali Minnesota and metro upper-middle-class California.

What mortalities, Chicken Little?

See this is half the problem - when there's no deaths you invent deaths to try bolstering your argument.

[FJRider]

And isolation still works as a very effective means of containing a disease.

Prevention is STILL most effective means to stop the spread of an infectious disease ... even more than isolation.


Always was ... and always will be.

[FJRider]

[QUOTE=TheDemonLord;1131046773] ... Me personally (as a parent mind you) - I have no right to endanger other peoples children.

But do you have the right to "endanger" your own children ... ??? In the past ... plenty of parents have let their child die (by not accepting treatment for their child) ... because it was Gods will if they lived or died.

... As such, the only people that should be allowed to opt-out of being vaccinated are those that do so on valid medical grounds, certified by a qualified Doctor. Everyone else...

Is the freedom to choose ... is just as valid as the freedom of speech. Regardless of how stupid their choice is ... ???

[TheDemonLord]

Bullshit it was a hypothetical question.

The post below was directly addressing my post that you quoted.


You just mis-read the post the way you wanted to read it.

Of course Katman.
You are right Katman.
You can read minds Katman.

(that is sarcasm btw, since you don't seem to understand written conventions)

[TheDemonLord]

Is the freedom to choose ... is just as valid as the freedom of speech. Regardless of how stupid their choice is ... ???

To use the allusion to Freedom of Speech - the classic limitation is that yelling "FIRE!" in a crowded theatre (where there is no Fire) is NOT protected as free speech, as it is known and designed to cause harm and suffering to others.

So to, do I draw a limitation on Freedom of Choice - you are not free to do things that harm and cause suffering to others.

In that line of reasoning - The freedom of choose IS just as valid as the freedom of speech, with the same reasonable restrictions.

And it is my position that choosing not to vaccinate (with the exception being as I intimated before) eventually causes harm and suffering to others.

[Katman]

Of course Katman.
You are right Katman.
You can read minds Katman.

Of course I'm right.

Claiming it was a hypothetical question is simply you trying to cover up the fact that you misread my post.

Anyone with a basic grasp of English can figure that out.