Thinking of getting vaccinated?

[mada]

But bear in mind that the CDC's conflict of interest is two-fold.

Not only are they the ones tasked with carrying out an immunisation program but they also make a profit from vaccines sold.

On top of that is the allegation of data fraud in their study.

But hey, post it up if it's the best you have to offer.

But bare in mind that your local bike mechanics conflict of interest is two fold.

Not only are they the ones tasked with checking road worthiness of your bike, but they also make a profit from bike parts sold.

So lets boycott these people with experience, training, and qualifications and take our bikes to those we can trust and who know lots about bikes having done their "research" online - used car dealers.

[bogan]

Where's your evidence that CDC are making a profit off vaccines?

That's fucking laughable, when most childhood immunisations are heavily subsidised by CDC so they are free to those who receive them.

...incoming edge cases and anecdotes.

That's a good point though, and is 'evil big pharma' just a case of fake news put forward by hippies and conspiracy theorists

[Katman]

Where's your evidence that CDC are making a profit off vaccines?

Ask RDJ.

I believe he was saying something about patent royalties.

[TheDemonLord]

Are you seriously telling me you can't provide any study that shows absolutely no link between aluminium or mercury and neuro-developmental disorders - that hasn't been authored by the CDC?

What is the point when you've practically declared any such Evidence to be invalid?

And why don't you answer the case of Japan - that if everything you say was true, then Japan wouldn't have the highest or second highest rate of Autism?

Do you understand the concept of evidence obtained from a source devoid of conflicts of interest?

You mean like Andrew Wakefield? You mean like Homeopathic Cranks? You mean like Infowars? You mean like pathologically jealous and resentful nobodies who can't accept that some people make lots more Money than them?

Conflicts of interest indeed.

[Katman]

What is the point when you've practically declared any such Evidence to be invalid?

And why don't you answer the case of Japan - that if everything you say was true, then Japan wouldn't have the highest or second highest rate of Autism?



You mean like Andrew Wakefield? You mean like Homeopathic Cranks? You mean like Infowars? You mean like pathologically jealous and resentful nobodies who can't accept that some people make lots more Money than them?

Conflicts of interest indeed.

So you still have nothing?

[mada]

Ask RDJ.

I believe he was saying something about patent royalties.

How much does it cost to research, safely test, and develop a vaccine? If your organisation invested such time, money, staff etc. into such a project, how would you recover your costs if you let any tom, dick, harry come along and copy it having invested jack shit into it? How would you propose CDC protect the integrity, reputation, and efficacy of their vaccine and their reputation if they allowed tom, dick, or katman to try make and sell their vaccine?

Just because it's patented and may be receiving royalties doesn't mean they are making a profit. Patent's doesn't make them some evil money hungry conspirator.

[Katman]

If your organisation invested such time, money, staff etc. into such a project....

.....it would be a conflict of interest if I was tasked with implementing a nationwide immunisation schedule.

[Katman]

Just because it's patented and may be receiving royalties doesn't mean they are making a profit.

$148 million, I think he said.

[mada]

.....it would be a conflict of interest if I was tasked with implementing a nationwide immunisation schedule.

Yeh, like MPI investigating what bugs could harm our agriculture sector and then implementing a nationwide fumigation schedule for imports that they charge for....

obviously MPI just in it for the profit....

Do you think vaccination as a child caused you to become a conspiracy nut?

[mada]

No matter who made the vaccines you would call it a conflict of interest.

"Commercial realities have drastically reduced private investment in the development of new public health tools, but increased awareness of this situation has resulted in the emergence of a variety of research-based, nonprofit organizations. We reviewed current vaccine developments and developed a framework for efficient research and development investments in this area.

We have identified several key “push” and “pull” forces within the vaccine research and product development environment and have examined their impacts on the process. These forces affect the global vaccine pipeline, which is composed of all individual vaccine initiatives and global partnerships (i.e., stakeholders), All of these research and development stakeholders must work together to establish and promote a global, sustainable research and development pipeline that delivers optimal vaccines and immunization technologies.

VACCINES ARE THE cornerstone of the fight against communicable diseases. This has been proven by the success of smallpox eradication, the drastic reduction in polio cases during the past 20 years, the progress toward tetanus elimination, and the reduction of measles mortality. Despite these achievements, infectious diseases are still responsible for nearly 30% of all deaths worldwide; more than 15 million people die every year, mostly in low-income and middle-income countries.1 Approximately 1.5 million of these deaths could have been prevented if the currently available vaccines were made universally available. Additionally, licensed vaccines to combat many deadly childhood diseases do not yet exist (Figure 1 ▶).2

FIGURE 1
FIGURE 1—
Causes of death in children aged younger than 5 years.
Achievement of the United Nations (UN) Millennium Development Goals relies in part on the availability of new tools through research and product development, innovation, and breakthroughs. Goals (such as halving current child mortality figures by the year 2015 [Goal 4]; combating HIV/AIDS, malaria, and other diseases [Goal 6]; forging a global partnership for development; and partnerships ensuring access to medicines [Goal 8]) are highly pertinent to the vaccine community. In 2005 the World Health Assembly adopted an ambitious and comprehensive plan, the Global Immunization Vision and Strategy 2006–2015 (GIVS), for fighting vaccine-preventable diseases.3 This strategy has 3 priority objectives: (1) immunize more people against more diseases, (2) introduce a range of newly available vaccines and technologies, and (3) provide a number of critical health interventions through immunization. Development of new and improved vaccines, and enhanced coverage for old and new vaccines alike, will contribute substantially to global efforts to reduce disease burden and, in so doing, will reduce poverty.

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DRIVING FORCES FOR RESEARCH AND DEVELOPMENT
The research and product development process bridges the gap between scientific discovery and the delivery of tools for health intervention. Vaccines used today are the product of discovery and development during past decades. The aim of the research and product development process4 is to design effective and consistent methods for the identification and production of potential vaccines, test them for safety and efficacy in preclinical studies, and establish their efficacy in humans. There is a clear responsibility throughout vaccine development to both adhere to and be guided by a structured framework that embodies registration requirements and normative guidelines. This framework collectively ensures the ethics, safety, and quality of the research, manufacturing, and clinical development during the research and product development process.

It often takes more than 10 years to deliver a final, licensed vaccine,5 and requires not only excellence during research and product development but also managerial and funding commitment throughout the endeavor. The cost of developing a vaccine—from research and discovery to product registration—is estimated to be between US $200 million and US $500 million per vaccine.6 This figure includes vaccines that are abandoned during the development process. In short, vaccine research and product development is lengthy, complex, and loaded with binary outcome risks.

Several driving forces have an impact on the research and product development process that develops vaccines for nonprofit or low-profit markets that can be grouped into 2 categories: “push” and “pull”—terms that are commonly used when business strategies are being developed. Abstractly, a product is developed either because of a clear demand—a “pull”—for the vaccine in the marketplace or because it becomes technically and operationally feasible—a “push.” In practice, the actual delivery of the product to the population in need is dependent on the concerted action of both forces (Figure 2 ▶

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1551949/

[TheDemonLord]

So you still have nothing?

And you are still missing the point...

[Katman]

And you are still missing the point...

Dude, just give us something.....anything.

We can discuss it's merits (or lack of) once you've tabled it.

[Katman]

And in case you've forgotten what it is your supposed to be tabling - its those 'credible studies' (fuck it, even one will do - and it can be written by the CEO of Merck himself if you like) that have shown there is no link between aluminium or mercury and neuro-developmental disorders.

And yet there have been numerous studies that show a link between aluminium and NDDs.

Well - is it Mercury or is it Aluminium?

If it makes you feel better, it can be both.

Or it could be neither...

Which is what credible studies have shown.

Show me one then.

Because if you can't produce even one of those 'credible studies' that you're referring to, it would suggest you're actually relying on nothing but blind faith.

[Maha]

And in case you've forgotten what it is your supposed to be tabling

That's you're

[husaberg]

Or it could be neither...

Which is what credible studies have shown.

On multiple occasions no less. Yet of course Katman thinks he knows better than respected medical professionals.
How could he not think it must be part of a further conspiracy, because afterall he he is a gullible paranoid cetin.

http://nationalacademies.org/HMD/Rep...nd-Autism.aspx
http://www.sabin.org/updates/blog/va...cause-autism-0
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24814559