Thinking of getting vaccinated?

[mada]

And in case you've forgotten what it is your supposed to be tabling - its those 'credible studies' (fuck it, even one will do - and it can be written by the CEO of Merck himself if you like) that have shown there is no link between aluminium or mercury and neuro-developmental disorders.











Because if you can't produce even one of those 'credible studies' that you're referring to, it would suggest you're actually relying on nothing but blind faith.

A "link" doesn't mean causality....

The majority of car drivers who have an accident took a shit in the last 24hrs. Shitting must therefore be responsible for car crashes.

On a similar vein to your last point, there have been no studies that have disproved God's existence - therefore God must exist!

[TheDemonLord]

Dude, just give us something.....anything.

We can discuss it's merits (or lack of) once you've tabled it.

Except what is the point? You've betrayed your hand that any evidence presented you will summarily dismiss as either a conflict of Interest or some other such tripe - so why Bother?

I see Husaberg has posted something up, and true to form, you've ignored it.

And in case you've forgotten what it is your supposed to be tabling - its those 'credible studies' (fuck it, even one will do - and it can be written by the CEO of Merck himself if you like) that have shown there is no link between aluminium or mercury and neuro-developmental disorders.

Yeah..... except you're the one making the claim that it was Aluminium, then it was Mercury, then it was both that cause Autism.

I looked at your laughable studies - pointed out they had fuck all actual experimental data and that the people doing them had an actual conflict of interest, were heavily biased and had been struck off the medical register (you know - the things you baselessly accuse the other side of doing... Hypocrite)

And either way - see above - it doesn't matter what I post up - you've shown you would dismiss it anyway.

Because if you can't produce even one of those 'credible studies' that you're referring to, it would suggest you're actually relying on nothing but blind faith.

I call Sargon's Law.

[Ocean1]

On multiple occasions no less. Yet of course Katman thinks he knows better than respected medical professionals.
How could he not think it must be part of a further conspiracy, because afterall he he is a gullible paranoid cetin.
http://www.jpeds.com/article/S0022-3...3/pdf?ext=.pdf
http://nationalacademies.org/HMD/Rep...nd-Autism.aspx
http://www.sabin.org/updates/blog/va...cause-autism-0
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24814559

I see reference there to the usually unstated reason thimerosal was removed from vaccines: The concerns parents had re autism after Wakefield's work, in spite of the evidence of his fraudulent methodology and the complete lack of evidence for a any causal link whatsoever.

So a vital public health tool was made less effective because conspiracy fuckwits continue to disseminate bullshit to uneducated fools under the pretense that the "science" supports them.

Well done katflap, et al.

[Katman]

I see Husaberg has posted something up, and true to form, you've ignored it.

Not ignoring - reading.

So a vital public health tool was made less effective because conspiracy fuckwits continue to disseminate bullshit to uneducated fools under the pretense that the "science" supports them.

I'm sure if the FDA were absolutely convinced that thimerosal posed no risk they wouldn't have bothered to pander to those who question it's safety.

[TheDemonLord]

Not ignoring - reading.

But surely! Someone who is 'Just asking questions' would have already read extensively both sides of the argument and would be aware of it?












Unless of course that person was just a Conspiracy loon who reads one-sided biased articles that cite laughable studies from discredited, struck off Conmen.

[Ocean1]

Not ignoring - reading.



I'm sure if the FDA were absolutely convinced that thimerosal posed no risk they wouldn't have bothered to pander to those who question it's safety.

Aye. Only, the number of things you're sure about that are patently and demonstrably wrong tends to indicate that you're full of shit.

[husaberg]

Aye. Only, the number of things you're sure about that are patently and demonstrably wrong tends to indicate that you're full of shit.

Arseholes generally are Ocean

I'm sure if the FDA were absolutely convinced that thimerosal posed no risk they wouldn't have bothered to pander to those who question it's safety.

There you go again
Constantly forming opinions without any evidence.
If they hadn't, what’s the odds you would be still calling it a conspiracy regardless.

So other than you 6th "Katman" sense what makes you so sure.......
Regales us all with your mighty conspiracy intellect

[Ocean1]

I'm sure if the FDA were absolutely convinced that thimerosal posed no risk they wouldn't have bothered to pander to those who question it's safety.

Aye. Only, the number of things you're sure about that are patently and demonstrably wrong tends to indicate that you're full of shit.

Y'know, based on evident logic defying and apparent fact proof belief systems I suspect katflap and co may be precursors, or indeed biological analogs to electric monks.

http://www.urbandictionary.com/defin...lectric%20monk

Quite possibly a faulty one....

High on a rocky promontory sat an Electric Monk on a bored horse. From under its rough woven cowl the Monk gazed unblinkingly down into another valley, with which it was having a problem.

The day was hot, the sun stood in an empty hazy sky and beat down upon the gray rocks and the scrubby, parched grass. Nothing moved, not even the Monk. The horse's tail moved a little, swishing slightly to try and move a little air, but that was all. Otherwise, nothing moved.

The Electric Monk was a labour-saving device, like a dishwasher or a video recorder. Dishwashers washed tedious dishes for you, thus saving you the bother of washing them yourself, video recorders watched tedious television for you, thus saving you the bother of looking at it yourself; Electric Monks believed things for you, thus saving you what was becoming an increasingly onerous task, that of believing all the things the world expected you to believe.

Unfortunately this Electric Monk had developed a fault, and had started to believe all kinds of things, more or less at random. It was even beginning to believe things they'd have difficulty believing in Salt Lake City. It had never heard of Salt Lake City, of course. Nor had it ever heard of a quingigillion, which was roughly the number of miles between this valley and the Great Salt Lake of Utah.

The problem with the valley was this. The Monk currently believed that the valley and everything in the valley and around it, including the Monk itself and the Monk's horse, was a uniform shade of pale pink. This made for a certain difficulty in distinguishing any one thing from any other thing, and therefore made doing anything or going anywhere impossible, or at least difficult and dangerous. Hence the immobility of the Monk and the boredom of the horse, which had had to put up with a lot of silly things in its time but was secretly of the opinion that this was one of the silliest.

How long did the Monk believe these things?

Well, as far as the Monk was concerned, forever. The faith which moves mountains, or at least believes them against all the available evidence to be pink, was a solid and abiding faith, a great rock against which the world could hurl whatever it would, yet it would not be shaken. In practice, the horse knew, twenty-four hours was usually about its lot.

So what of this horse, then, that actually held opinions, and was sceptical about things? Unusual behaviour for a horse, wasn't it? An unusual horse perhaps?

No. Although it was certainly a handsome and well-built example of its species, it was none the less a perfectly ordinary horse, such as convergent evolution has produced in many of the places that life is to be found. They have always understood a great deal more than they let on. It is difficult to be sat on all day, every day, by some other creature, without forming an opinion on them.

On the other hand, it is perfectly possible to sit all day, every day, on top of another creature and not have the slightest thought about them whatsoever.

When the early models of these Monks were built, it was felt to be important that they be instantly recognisable as artificial objects. There must be no danger of their looking at all like real people. You wouldn't want your video recorder lounging around on the sofa all day while it was watching TV. You wouldn't want it picking its nose, drinking beer and sending out for pizzas.

So the Monks were built with an eye for originality of design and also for practical horse-riding ability. This was important. People, and indeed things, looked more sincere on a horse. So two legs were held to be both more suitable and cheaper than the more normal primes of seventeen, nineteen or twenty-three; the skin the Monks were given was pinkish-looking instead of purple, soft and smooth instead of crenellated. They were also restricted to just one mouth and nose, but were given instead an additional eye, making for a grand total of two. A strange looking creature indeed. But truly excellent at believing the most preposterous things.

This Monk had first gone wrong when it was simply given too much to believe in one day. It was, by mistake, cross-connected to a video recorder that was watching eleven TV channels simultaneously, and this caused it to blow a bank of illogic circuits. The video recorder only had to watch them, of course. It didn't have to believe them as well. This is why instruction manuals are so important.

So after a hectic week of believing that war was peace, that good was bad, that the moon was made of blue cheese, and that God needed a lot of money sent to a certain box number, the Monk started to believe that thirty-five percent of all tables were hermaphrodites, and then broke down. The man from the Monk shop said that it needed a whole new motherboard, but then pointed out that the new improved Monk Plus models were twice as powerful, had an entirely new multi-tasking Negative Capability feature that allowed them to hold up to sixteen entirely different and contradictory ideas in memory simultaneously without generating any irritating system errors, were twice as fast and at least three times as glib, and you could have a whole new one for less than the cost of replacing the motherboard of the old model.

That was it. Done.

The faulty Monk was turned out into the desert where it could believe what it liked, including the idea that it had been hard done by. It was allowed to keep its horse, since horses were so cheap to make.

For a number of days and nights, which it variously believed to be three, forty-three, and five hundred and ninety-eight thousand seven hundred and three, it roamed the desert, putting its simple Electric trust in rocks, birds, clouds, and a form of non-existent elephant-asparagus, until at last it fetched up here, on this high rock, overlooking a valley that was not, despite the deep fervour of the Monk's belief, pink. Not even a little bit.

Time passed.

[RDJ]

Where's your evidence that CDC are making a profit off vaccines?

That's fucking laughable, when most childhood immunisations are heavily subsidised by CDC so they are free to those who receive them.

and a few more characters in support of your succinctness

[eliot-ness]

At least 15 children in Syria die in measles immunization campaign ...
http://www.sciencemag.org/.../least-...ation-campaign
Sep 18, 2014 - At least 15 children in Syria die in measles immunization campaign ... or most under age 2, have died after receiving an injection in a measles immunization ... Cannabis knocks back epilepsy in new clinical trial. May. 25, 2017.

[eliot-ness]

Search Results
15 children die after botched measles vaccination campaign in South ...
https://www.thestar.com › News › World
Jun 2, 2017 - JUBA, SOUTH SUDAN—Fifteen young children have died in a botched measles vaccination campaign that saw people as young as 12 years ...

[RDJ]

At least 15 children in Syria die in measles immunization campaign ...
http://www.sciencemag.org/.../least-...ation-campaign
Sep 18, 2014 - At least 15 children in Syria die in measles immunization campaign ... or most under age 2, have died after receiving an injection in a measles immunization ...

Sigh.

This is indeed a tragedy, but the reason it happened wasn't that the vaccine was deadly. The reason it happened was because when the (non-medically-trained) people who administer the vaccine were preparing it i.e. reconstituting it with liquid, they grabbed liquid muscle relaxant vials stored in the same fridge and reconstituted the vaccine powder with those. Sheesh.

Also, this program was under run by the UN; the same UN that has so helpfully stopped North Korea's nuclear ambitions, restored peace to the Gaza Strip, and not allowed terrorists to store ammunition and dig tunnels under UN-sponsored schools in Palestine. Oh, wait...

Morals of that sad story:

1. Know what you are doing and don't just 'have a go'. Good intentions are not enough.
2. Be very afraid when the UN tries to help you.

[Katman]

A re-look at the CDC study data - minus the fraud.

http://web.archive.org/web/201408261...-9158-3-16.pdf

[TheDemonLord]

A re-look at the CDC study data - minus the fraud.

http://web.archive.org/web/201408261...-9158-3-16.pdf

Without the Fraud you say?

Competing interests
Dr. Hooker has been involved in vaccine/biologic litigation

Isn't that exactly what you accuse 'Big Pharma' of doing?

[Katman]

Without the Fraud you say?

How can that possibly be considered fraud when it's clearly disclosed in the study?