Thinking of getting vaccinated?

[flyingcrocodile46]

A persistent virus, how long will this attempt last? Has previous encounters built up or reduced the immune system?

Regardless of how much you rant and rave about youtubes and headlines being better than studies, tis still the studies that get the job done.

I have little doubt that you and a box full of chocolate laxative bars would provide entertainment week after week after week

[bogan]

I have little doubt that you and a box full of chocolate laxative bars would provide entertainment week after week after week

Unsurprising you are not full of doubt.



Now if you ever have enough doubts about your theory to find some facts to support it, you make sure to come back and let us know eh!

[Brett]

I just found irrefutable evidence that says that vaccinating your children leads to one being ugly. Ahmed from the pub just told me that his cousins, wifes, sister was vaccinated as a child and as a result is now the ugliest woman alive. DON'T vaccinate your children...they will become ugly and will never be loved or get married by someone. Ahmed said so, so it must be true! Quick, start a Facebook page.

[flyingcrocodile46]

Unsurprising you are not full of doubt.



Now if you ever have enough doubts about your theory to find some facts to support it, you make sure to come back and let us know eh!

The irony is astounding. It's the so called facts that you are clinging to , that I am calling into question. Fuck! I was wrong. You would eat the whole box of laxative bars in the first week.

[bogan]

The irony is astounding. It's the so called facts that you are clinging to , that I am calling into question. Fuck! I was wrong. You would eat the whole box of laxative bars in the first week.

Then you have misread. I have a healthy amount of doubt, what I am not going to do is advocate stopping vaccination based on no evidence whatsoever. That is why I initially asked you for the evidence linking vaccination with 'bad things'^TM, since none was forthcoming my doubts remain just that. I am not 100% certain vaccination is a 'great thing'^TM but with the information at hand, the only logical conclusion is that is does a lot more good than harm.

[Woodman]

Just don't dispute other peoples opinions by pretending that you have a fucking clue.

[flyingcrocodile46]

Then you have misread. I have a healthy amount of doubt, what I am not going to do is advocate stopping vaccination based on no evidence whatsoever. That is why I initially asked you for the evidence linking vaccination with 'bad things'^TM, since none was forthcoming my doubts remain just that. I am not 100% certain vaccination is a 'great thing'^TM but with the information at hand, the only logical conclusion is that is does a lot more good than harm.

You also have misread me then. Not sure how though, as I have not advocated to stop taking vacines. All I have ever said is to stop and consider (aknowledge) all the risks and make sure there is a genuine risk that is worth (the possible consequences). i.e. if it ain't broke, don't fix it. Similar restraint with antibiotics would likely have delayed the arrival of superbugs for another few decades.

Back to facts about the CDC whistle blower that the MSM are now backing away from stories about. Snopes this, CNN that. blah blah. What about the scientist himself??

These are his lawyers http://www.morganverkamp.com/ They are very real and very highly regarded.

Here is the statement from the horses mouth (one of the four CDC scientists who falsified the scientific data) released through his lawyers (not Snopes or CNN)http://www.morganverkamp.com/august-...ne-and-autism/

[bogan]

You also have misread me then. Not sure how though, as I have not advocated to stop taking vacines. All I have ever said is to stop and consider (aknowledge) all the risks and make sure there is a genuine risk that is worth (the possible consequences). i.e. if it ain't broke, don't fix it. Similar restraint with antibiotics would likely have delayed the arrival of superbugs for another few decades.

Back to facts about the CDC whistle blower that the MSM are now backing away from stories about. Snopes this, CNN that. blah blah. What about the scientist himself??

These are his lawyers http://www.morganverkamp.com/ They are very real and very highly regarded.

Here is the statement from the horses mouth (one of the four CDC scientists who falsified the scientific data) released through his lawyers (not Snopes or CNN)http://www.morganverkamp.com/august-...ne-and-autism/

Your misreading continues as I clearly said 'what I am not going to do is advocate stopping vaccination' nothing about whether you had advocated such or not. And as I said before, I did stop and consider, yet nothing worth considering came forth; headlines about what some bloke thinks and a youtube vid is up to fuck all. Show me the data, the studies, the journal articles...

[flyingcrocodile46]

Your misreading continues as I clearly said 'what I am not going to do is advocate stopping vaccination' nothing about whether you had advocated such or not. And as I said before, I did stop and consider, yet nothing worth considering came forth; headlines about what some bloke thinks and a youtube vid is up to fuck all. Show me the data, the studies, the journal articles...

What do you want? A hard copy of the original? The relevant excerpts from the documents you want to see are shown in the video. If you need more than that then you will have to get off your arse. If not, don't. I don't care.

[bogan]

What do you want? A hard copy of the original? The relevant excerpts from the documents you want to see are shown in the video. If you need more than that then you will have to get off your arse. If not, don't. I don't care.

No, a pdf copy is fine. If they found the doc to put in a video, it should be just as easy to put in a scanner. The reason I don't go with excerpts, is it becomes very easy to paint whatever picture you like with only parts of a document; showing the whole thing tells the whole story (lets not forget the guy in questions whole issue is that some parts were left out before). Logically it follows that if somebody posts an excerpt without making the rest of the document available, a healthy amount of doubt must be applied to whatever message is attempted to be conveyed. Hence our current impasse whereby you try to convince me the risks of vaccination are real, yet I maintain my doubts about your claims. Science! It works, bitches

[flyingcrocodile46]

No, a pdf copy is fine. If they found the doc to put in a video, it should be just as easy to put in a scanner. The reason I don't go with excerpts, is it becomes very easy to paint whatever picture you like with only parts of a document; showing the whole thing tells the whole story (lets not forget the guy in questions whole issue is that some parts were left out before). Logically it follows that if somebody posts an excerpt without making the rest of the document available, a healthy amount of doubt must be applied to whatever message is attempted to be conveyed. Hence our current impasse whereby you try to convince me the risks of vaccination are real, yet I maintain my doubts about your claims. Science! It works, bitches

Nice circle jerk, but jizz on your keyboard doesn't take away from the simple fact that one of the four scientists responsible for the CDC sign off on the test data, has very publically stated that the results were fudged and that he has the evidence to prove it (should someone qualified to undertake such investigation) be authorised to do so. Did you need to see any pdf copies of the documents that Snowden "claimed" he stole from the NSA? No! I didn't think so.

[bogan]

Nice circle jerk, but jizz on your keyboard doesn't take away from the simple fact that one of the four scientists responsible for the CDC sign off on the test data, has very publically stated that the results were fudged and that he has the evidence to prove it (should someone qualified to undertake such investigation) be authorised to do so. Did you need to see any pdf copies of the documents that Snowden "claimed" he stole from the NSA? No! I didn't think so.

Good, he'll have no problem showing the evidence then, until it becomes available I'll have a healthy amount of doubt. I mean what else can you expect of me? Take every claim from govt (or is it only the ex-govt ones?) scientists at face value?

I have made no conclusions about the claimed information in Snowden's docs precisely because I haven't seen any copies; so I'm not sure why you didn't think so...

[mashman]

Regardless of how much you rant and rave about youtubes and headlines being better than studies, tis still the studies that get the job done.

It isn't just the studies that get stuff done at all... these things get done by novices too, like the protein folding or the kid that solved Newton's 300 year old problem. and likely many many more. So sad that expert scientists are so entrenched in their work that they can't see the wood for the trees (because they ALL took the wrong path). So no, it ain't just the studies that get the job done.

[Ocean1]

or the kid that solved Newton's 300 year old problem.

Thought so...

http://tu-dresden.de/die_tu_dresden/...ommentsRay.pdf

Executive summary: "it is a remarkable piece of work for a 16-year old, but the results were basically already known to experts. The newspaper reports were inaccurate."

Having said that, you're right, not all scientific advances are made by accredited scientists, but the point is until results are published and replicated then it's just a theory. And any fuckwit can have a theory.

[bogan]

It isn't just the studies that get stuff done at all... these things get done by novices too, like the protein folding or the kid that solved Newton's 300 year old problem. and likely many many more. So sad that expert scientists are so entrenched in their work that they can't see the wood for the trees (because they ALL took the wrong path). So no, it ain't just the studies that get the job done.

Sorry^{not really} to burst your bubble (again), but one the protein folding one—while the work was outsourced to gamers—the results/finding/anything useable was published as an article http://www.nature.com/nsmb/journal/v...nsmb.2119.html

Seems ocean has burst your second one already too

Science, still working since ages ago