Thinking of getting vaccinated?

**Katman** · 9th July 2017, 19:03

Originally Posted by bogan

You were pretty much not even close

25? The figure is 148 cases. Instead of getting your information from all these blog sites, go for the source and you can skip these angry and misdirected questions.

Yes, clearly the vaccine is not 100% effective; does anything less than 100% somehow make it not worth getting?

My comments are clearly related to the link nzspokes provided.

If you've got further information, feel free to share it.

**Ocean1** · 9th July 2017, 19:18

Originally Posted by Katman

I'll take that as a 'no' then.

Which, as I said, is exactly how someone needing to support a completely farcical persecution complex needs to take everything: Wrong.

**bogan** · 9th July 2017, 19:19

Originally Posted by Katman

My comments are clearly related to the link nzspokes provided.

If you've got further information, feel free to share it.

This is one of your major problems, you make it all about the people and seek to pass the blame or pass insults. You are to blame for your own ignorance, your comments are related to the outbreak referenced; why the fuck would you only want to limit the discussion about it as it is described on some MSM blog? The article spoke's posted was clearly dated mid march this year, and the first 5 words provided the source you could go for more information.

**TheDemonLord** · 9th July 2017, 19:26

Originally Posted by Katman

I pretty much did ask the question, you stupid fuck.

So according to you, 5 of those 25 were vaccinated for mumps.

Fat lot of good the vaccination did them then.

Did you know that some motorcyclists died who were wearing Helmets?

Fat lot of good wearing a helmet did them.

We should 'question' the safety of motorcycle Helmets and stop encouraging people to wear them.

- Katman 'logic'

**Katman** · 9th July 2017, 19:56

Originally Posted by TheDemonLord

Did you know that some motorcyclists died who were wearing Helmets?

Fat lot of good wearing a helmet did them.

We should 'question' the safety of motorcycle Helmets and stop encouraging people to wear them.

- Katman 'logic'

I'd happily ride without a helmet.

**Moise** · 9th July 2017, 20:03

Originally Posted by bogan

You were pretty much not even close

25? The figure is 148 cases. Instead of getting your information from all these blog sites, go for the source and you can skip these angry and misdirected questions.

Yes, clearly the vaccine is not 100% effective; does anything less than 100% somehow make it not worth getting?

That's one of the issues. There are a number of measures of vaccine effectiveness, and how well you are protected against the disease in the wild isn't of them. The reasons for that should be fairly obvious.

It's also worth noting that people are not generally regarded as fully vaccinated unless there is documented proof. So some of those classified as unvaccinated may have had all of the shots, but have no evidence.

People are also classified as unvaccinated if they didn't have all of the shots. That's not right, as a percentage of those will be fully vaccinated.

So when they say that 20% were vaccinated, the real number is likely to be significantly higher.

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**Honest Andy** · 9th July 2017, 20:11

Originally Posted by Katman

I'd happily ride without a helmet.

clearly...

**bogan** · 9th July 2017, 20:22

Originally Posted by Moise

That's one of the issues. There are a number of measures of vaccine effectiveness, and how well you are protected against the disease in the wild isn't of them. The reasons for that should be fairly obvious.

It's also worth noting that people are not generally regarded as fully vaccinated unless there is documented proof. So some of those classified as unvaccinated may have had all of the shots, but have no evidence.

People are also classified as unvaccinated if they didn't have all of the shots. That's not right, as a percentage of those will be fully vaccinated.

So when they say that 20% were vaccinated, the real number is likely to be significantly higher.

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Not quite sure how much stock you think we should be putting in such baseless conjecture? (unless you have some to supply)

Even if it were significantly higher, say 30%, do you feel that means we should not be vaccinated?

**Moise** · 9th July 2017, 20:53

Well, if you think that's "baseless conjecture", then you're not that well informed.

Most people think vaccination is 100% effective. They might be disappointed to find there is a chance they don't have immunity if there is an outbreak.

Don't know if you saw the interview on TV with Dr Julia Peters from Auckland Public Health, but she more or less said that adults who'd had mumps as a child had full immunity but adults who'd had the vaccine as a child should consider a "booster".

I'll piss off now. I'm definitely not against vaccination, but I think we're all over the "trust us, we know what we're doing" BS.

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**bogan** · 9th July 2017, 21:01

Originally Posted by Moise

Well, if you think that's "baseless conjecture", then you're not that well informed.

Most people think vaccination is 100% effective. They might be disappointed to find there is a chance they don't have immunity if there is an outbreak.

Don't know if you saw the interview on TV with Dr Julia Peters from Auckland Public Health, but she more or less said that adults who'd had mumps as a child had full immunity but adults who'd had the vaccine as a child should consider a "booster".

I'll piss off now. I'm definitely not against vaccination, but I think we're all over the "trust us, we know what we're doing" BS.

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I think it baseless conjecture because while the conjecture may be logical in some situations, there is no basis showing that it applies in this case.

Obviously I agree that they are not 100% effective, but we're clearly not over the 'trust us, we know what we're doing' BS, just look at the anti-vaccer's arguments; absolute garbage but people trust them anyway.