Thinking of getting vaccinated?

[bogan]

Really?

All of them?

A scientific consensus does not require unanimity.

Try looking at the science, the conclusions from the studies (start with the ones you've been posting) and see if you can understand why. Or just keep clutching at straws to find one study you can round down to agreeing with your baseless conspiracy theorist notions...

[husaberg]

Whereas you're qualifications to speak for conspiracy fuckwits worldwide is simply unparalleled.

True he is a great example of the lunatic fringe... all baseless rumour and conjecture with no actual evidence.

[TheDemonLord]

Do you know the difference between mercury and aluminium?

67 Protons and 67 Valance Electrons, One is liquid at room temperature, one is solid, one is a transitional metal, the other a post-transitional metal, One is highly reactive, the other not so much, an atomic weight difference of about 173, one has only one other known isotope (which is extremely rare) whilst the other has 11 known isotopes, of which 5 are stable etc. etc.

[oldrider]

Apparently Baker regularly consults KB to base and form her opinions:- https://www.infowars.com/professor-w...united-states/

[flyingcrocodile46]

Is that the same Media that you are always telling us are part of the issue? The same ones that can't be trusted when they say you are wrong?

Funny how you believe them when they say something you agree with....

Obviously not. Things change over time and that was quite some time ago. But thank you for your pointless question that you so elegantly followed with a face plant.

Yeah, a Cold isn't the Flu....

And that just about rules out your opinion on anything regarding Medical Matters, but since I'm not done.

We are Aware of the risks*.

*The actual risks, not the made up risks by fraudsters and Conmen.

As long as you are talking big pharma (the proven fraudsters and conmen that they are) I accept your rather ungracious reassurance that my advice hasn't found entirely deaf ears.

[Katman]

How we viewed measles 45 years ago.



Then some people discovered there were vast sums of money to be made by promoting hysteria.

[TheDemonLord]

How we viewed measles 45 years ago.

Then some people discovered there were vast sums of money to be made by promoting hysteria.

You mean like Dr Wakefield?
Or perhaps Dr. Mark Geier?

[Katman]

You mean like Dr Wakefield?
Or perhaps Dr. Mark Geier?

Don't be silly - I'm talking vast sums.

[Ocean1]

Don't be silly - I'm talking vast sums.

Whereas everyone else thinks you're talking shit.

[TheDemonLord]

Don't be silly - I'm talking vast sums.

Glad to know you take such a principled stand on the matter.


/sarcasm

[Katman]

Glad to know you take such a principled stand on the matter.

You wouldn't know what a principled stand was if it fucked you up the arse.

[Woodman]

wouldn't stand if fucked up the arse.

Fixed for ya

Just bored really.................

[TheDemonLord]

You wouldn't know what a principled stand was if it fucked you up the arse.

So, it's okay to create a hysteria in order to profit from it, if it's only a little bit of profit and not (as you said) "vast sums."

That's even if I take your original premise to be correct (which I don't).

I'm just loving the Hypocrisy.

And on an aside - I see your homoerotic fantasies about me have progressed from Cock Sucking to full blown sodomy (I hope you know, I'm flattered, truly) - you know that it's been decriminalised in NZ since 1986 - you can come out of the Closet now, It's warm, sunny and Fabulous.

[husaberg]

Glad to know you take such a principled stand on the matter.


/sarcasm

Sometimes you just have to laugh at Steve's utter hippocracy.

Wakefield charged at the extraordinary rate of £150 an hour- billed through a company of his wife's - eventually totalling, for genericwork alone, what the UK Legal Services Commission, pressed by Deer under thefreedom of information act, said was £435,643 (then about $750,000 US), plusexpenses. These hourly fees - revealed in The Sunday Times in December 2006 -gave the doctor a direct personal, but undeclared, financial interest in his researchclaims: totalling more than eight times his reported annual salary and creatingan incentive not only for him to launch the alarm, but to keep it going for aslong as possible.
In addition to the personal payments, Wakefield was awardedan initial £55,000, which he had applied for in June 1996, but which, like thehourly fees, he never declared to the Lancet as he should have done, for theexpress purpose of conducting the research later submitted to the journal. Thisstart-up funding was part of a staggering £26.2m of taxpayers' money (more than$56m US at 2014 prices) eventually shared among a small group of doctors andlawyers, working under Barr's and Wakefield's direction, trying to prove thatMMR caused the previously unheard-of "syndrome". Yet more surprising, Wakefield hadasserted the existence of such a syndrome - which allegedly included what hewould dub "autistic enterocolitis" - before he performed the researchwhich purportedly discovered it.

Dr. Wakefield, who, as we know was ultimately paid £435,643 in fees, plus £3,910 expenses by Barr. But that was chump change compared to the amount of money that Wakefield and his cronies envisioned based on the work they were doing at the Royal Free Hospital. Even while Child 2 was still in the hospital undergoing a grueling workup including an MRI of his brain (which, for children that young usually requires general anesthesia), electroencephalography and evoked potentials, a radioactive Schilling test, blood and urine tests, and a lumbar puncture, all of which had been specified in an agreement with Barr. Then, while the child was still in hospital (as the British say), having just undergone an ileocolonoscopy two days before that 14 years later the British General Medical Council would conclude had not been medically indicated, this happened:

And on Wednesday, with the news that the boy–still on the ward–might have Crohn’s disease, the doctor produced a remarkable document. It was an 11 page draft of a scheme behind the vaccine scare, now revealed for the first time in full.
The document was headed “Inventor/school/investor meeting 1.”¹⁵ Based on a patent Wakefield had filed in March 1995 claiming that “Crohn’s disease or ulcerative colitis may be diagnosed by detecting measles virus in bowel tissue, bowel products or body fluids,”¹⁶ it proposed starting a company that could reap huge returns from molecular viral diagnostic tests. It predicted a turnover from Britain and America of up to £72.5m a year.
“In view of the unique services offered by the Company and its technology, particularly for the molecular diagnostic,” the document noted, “the assays can command premium prices.”
To help finance the scheme, Wakefield looked to the government’s legal aid fund–meant to give poorer people access to justice. For the previous seven months, child 2 had been enrolled with Barr’s firm,¹⁷ which since February 1996– two years before the paper’s publication– had been paying the researcher undisclosed fees of £150 an hour, plus expenses.⁸

Wow. £72.5 million a year. That’s a lot of cash that Wakefield was planning on trying to make using his patent claiming that detecting measles virus in the gut is diagnostic for Crohn’s disease. Indeed, where other researchers saw suffering children they wanted to try to help, Wakefield apparently saw an amazing profit opportunity. Indeed, he even cranked out the prospectus for this amazing profit opportunity while investigating children referred to him by trial lawyers. This is a massive undisclosed conflict of interest (COI) that beggars imagination. It’s huge compared to most COIs that individual investigators who seek to commercialize their products have, because most such investigators don’t envision making anywhere near as much money as Wakefield apparently thought he could make from developing a diagnostic test. He even wrote that “the ability of the Company to commercialise its candidate products depends upon the extent to which reimbursement for the cost of such products will be available from government health administration authorities, private health providers and, in the context of the molecular diagnostic, the Legal Aid Board.” In other words, Wakefield was already thinking of ways to obtain reimbursement from third party payers for his device, recognizing quite correctly that the success of any such test is utterly dependent upon this.

[Ocean1]

https://www.stuff.co.nz/auckland/986...es-in-auckland

"Herman said people between the ages of 10 and 29 represented a lost generation to MMR vaccinations and was the likely reason behind the outbreak this year.

A generation born in 1988 reached the age where they would be eligible for their second MMR vaccination at age 11 in 1999, one year after a study published in British Medical Journal The Lancet falsely linked the vaccination to autism."

Do we get to forcefully quarantine the fuckwits yet?