Thinking of getting vaccinated?

[mashman]

Wait untill TPPA gets voted in, I'll bet these big companies will then start pushing for compulsory vaccinations through legislation.

Might tell the kids to become lawyers.

[Ocean1]

I have the upmost respect for parents who would rather not run the risk of having their child permanently damaged.

Me too.

Which is why I have nothing but contempt for those who choose the far higher risk for both their kids and everyone else of refusing a vaccination.

Utter fuckwits, the lot of them.

Almost as profoundly stupid as those who support them, fully aware that it's the wrong choice.

[mashman]

Me too.

Which is why I have nothing but contempt for those who choose the far higher risk for both their kids and everyone else of refusing a vaccination.

Utter fuckwits, the lot of them.

Almost as profoundly stupid as those who support them, fully aware that it's the wrong choice.

Wrong...

[Hitcher]

I have the upmost respect for parents who would rather not run the risk of having their child permanently damaged.

I don't. They're largely victims of populist nonsense, like the Internet-spawned crap about autism and vaccination. And homoeopathy. And magnetic bed underlays and amber teething apparatus.

With the exception of a very few predictable instances of adverse reactions to a vaccination, in almost all cases the benefits of being protected against heinous diseases vastly outweighs those "risks". If they want to be "protected" by being a minority part of a larger protected population, they should pay something for that privilege.

[oldrider]

I don't. They're largely victims of populist nonsense, like the Internet-spawned crap about autism and vaccination. And homoeopathy. And magnetic bed underlays and amber teething apparatus.

With the exception of a very few predictable instances of adverse reactions to a vaccination, in almost all cases the benefits of being protected against heinous diseases vastly outweighs those "risks". If they want to be "protected" by being a minority part of a larger protected population, they should pay something for that privilege.

So you are all for compulsory mass medication - obviously you have never suffered a bad reaction to any of it - your attitude sucks to me as one who has!

[yokel]

Me too.

Which is why I have nothing but contempt for those who choose the far higher risk for both their kids and everyone else of refusing a vaccination.

Utter fuckwits, the lot of them.

Almost as profoundly stupid as those who support them, fully aware that it's the wrong choice.

your fear and anxiety over other people kids not being vaccinated is most likely going to make your own kids sick and turn out into be neurotic fuckwits like yourself.

[mashman]

I don't. They're largely victims of populist nonsense, like the Internet-spawned crap about autism and vaccination. And homoeopathy. And magnetic bed underlays and amber teething apparatus.

With the exception of a very few predictable instances of adverse reactions to a vaccination, in almost all cases the benefits of being protected against heinous diseases vastly outweighs those "risks". If they want to be "protected" by being a minority part of a larger protected population, they should pay something for that privilege.

Should we shoot the ones that inoculation doesn't work for also?

Do they get a refund if they don't contract any of the diseases that they were supposed to get inoculated for?

[TheDemonLord]

You'll be inoculated... so I fail to see your point, let alone see why those who choose not to run the risk of something fucking with the physiology of their developing child should be treated as lepers.

If exposed to sufficiently high dosage, even someone who is immunised might fall victim - and someone who hasn't been vaccinated or a child who hasn't been vaccinated are pretty much walking biological weapons.

There is evidence that these vaccines aren't perfect. They come with lots and lots of warnings.

Agreed - a healthy bit of skepticism is fine - but citing 30 year old research that has been debunked both by the scientific method AND by exposing the researchers as being paid to find to publish a paper showing a causal link (when there wasn't one) really does wear thin.

Some people have rather nasty reactions and are left seriously damaged for the rest of their lifetime.

Would these very same people be able to survive against a full blown infection against the viruses that they are being vaccinated against? I put to you that if they can't handle the vaccine - they would be the first to drop when exposed to the actual virus.

And let us not forgot the child mortality rates of the diseases that we vaccinate against and the manner in which they die - being covered in sores over all bits of skin (both external AND internal) or coughing so hard that your lungs rupture and you start to drown in your own blood that is filling your lungs....

They are trying to be responsible by inoculating their child, and yet they end up in court for the next X years battling to get a fuckload of money in order to help to pay for the child that the vaccine has damaged. If that child had not have been inoculated, the public wouldn't have been left to cover the bills for the following lifetime. I have the upmost respect for parents who would rather not run the risk of having their child permanently damaged.

Trying, citing crap science/Hippy bullshit masquerading as science - but worst of all, they are potentially capable of infecting other people.

[TheDemonLord]

So you are all for compulsory mass medication - obviously you have never suffered a bad reaction to any of it - your attitude sucks to me as one who has!

yet you are still here are you not?

do you think you would have survived a full blown infection of whatever disease you had a bad reaction to the related vaccine?

[Virago]

So you are all for compulsory mass medication - obviously you have never suffered a bad reaction to any of it - your attitude sucks to me as one who has!

I think Hitcher has a valid point. Those who decide against vaccination are relying on those who do get vaccinated to prevent mass outbreak and spread of vicious diseases. That reliance is, by its very nature, parasitic.

It's not advocating compulsory mass medication. But with choice comes responsibility. Choices made on the basis of discredited hysteria should stand to be scrutinized.

[Ocean1]

your fear and anxiety over other people kids not being vaccinated is most likely going to make your own kids sick and turn out into be neurotic fuckwits like yourself.

I'm not worried about other people not vaccinating their kids. As long as they get the fuck out of my town and stay out. That way my kids don't get sick.

Unlike a fairly large slice of the world's population before immunisation was possible. Before smallpox vaccine was available it was responsible for the deaths of 10% of all Londoners.

Compared to that sort of attrition rate the preferences of some ignorant fuckwit who doesn't want what's genuinely best for their kids is of absolutely no consequence whatsoever.

Know how many Londoners died of smallpox last year? How many humans? Of course you don't, or you wouldn't advertise your complete ignorance of the facts.

Which are here: http://ourworldindata.org/data/healt...ladnyi-1988ref

If you have the slightest interest in finding them.

[Virago]

yet you are still here are you not?

do you think you would have survived a full blown infection of whatever disease you had a bad reaction to the related vaccine?

Yep.

It always amuses me the number of people who now refuse the 'flu vaccine, because "it gave me the 'flu." Bullshit. You caught a common cold, or "Kiwi Flu". The real 'flu is something else altogether.

[oldrider]

yet you are still here are you not?

do you think you would have survived a full blown infection of whatever disease you had a bad reaction to the related vaccine?

I don't disbelieve theory of vaccination - I don't get a reaction to the disease in question - it is the crap that they use in the vaccine!

That is the biggest problem with the whole program - everybody is not exactly the same - so one size does not fit all - you have been fooled.

[Ocean1]

I don't disbelieve theory of vaccination - I don't get a reaction to the disease in question - it is the crap that they use in the vaccine!

That is the biggest problem with the whole program - everybody is not exactly the same - so one size does not fit all - you have been fooled.

No, John but the same size does fit 99.9%.

Which is enough to protect everyone.

It's the extra few % that think, wrongly that the risk of inoculation is greater than the risk of disease that fuck it up for everyone. And their descendants, forevermore.

[TheDemonLord]

I don't disbelieve theory of vaccination - I don't get a reaction to the disease in question - it is the crap that they use in the vaccine!

That is the biggest problem with the whole program - everybody is not exactly the same - so one size does not fit all - you have been fooled.

But again - you are still here - you didn't die from one of the many diseases that have been eradicated in western civilization that at the turn of 1900's used to kill millions.

and we are talking diseases with 30% + mortality rates, compared to say Spanish flu that had a mortality rate of 3% and Swine flu/Avian Flu have rates of 0.1%

And without sounding condescending - whatever reaction you have had - it hasn't stopped you from say - riding a Motorbike or living to an old age, so it can't have been as bad as the alternative (which would death)