Thinking of getting vaccinated?

[husaberg]

http://www.skepticalob.com/2009/10/l...f-vaccine.html

[Graystone]

So I assume you can point us towards a few 'double blind' tests for the safety and efficacy of childhood vaccines then.

Hehehe, read what husaberg posted, he saved me the trouble. You do make it too easy sometimes.

[Katman]

Hehehe, read what husaberg posted, he saved me the trouble. You do make it too easy sometimes.

I did read it.

That was why I was confident to call you on your 'double blind' claim

[husaberg]

Hehehe, read what husaberg posted, he saved me the trouble. You do make it too easy sometimes.

The rest is explained here.
Of course some will always think they know more about medicine than a doctor......
http://www.skepticalob.com/2015/05/t...ti-vaxxer.html

[Katman]

The rest is explained here.
Of course some will always think they know more about medicine than a doctor......
http://www.skepticalob.com/2015/05/t...ti-vaxxer.html

What about the growing number of medical professionals and scientific researchers who are asking the same questions?

Are they 'lay people' too?

[Graystone]

I did read it.

That was why I was confident to call you on your 'double blind' claim

What claim?

The correct answer would have been to point out why double blind tests are unsuitable, but you would have had to have heard of them and understood them for that...

[TheDemonLord]

What about the growing number of medical professionals and scientific researchers who are asking the same questions?

Are they 'lay people' too?

How many are we up to? 20? 30?

Although, to be fair, if we don't include Naturopaths, homeopaths, other "Doctors" and people who've had their licences revoked - it's probably about 5

[Katman]

What claim?

The correct answer would have been to point out why double blind tests are unsuitable, but you would have had to have heard of them and understood them for that...

Well it certainly seemed that you were misinformed about the trial process for childhood vaccines.

I'm pleased to see you're better educated today.

[Katman]

How many are we up to? 20? 30?

I'm sure you'd find there's a whole lot more than that if you were bothered to look - which you're clearly not.

[husaberg]

What about the growing number of medical professionals and scientific researchers who are asking the same questions?

Are they 'lay people' too?

Are these growing number of medical professionals you refer to, like your pilots for truth 911 you refered to previously
Ie when someone looks at it we find its predominately made up of bagagge handlers and flight attendants and not pliots.

But seriously, you need to figure out the difference between normal sceptiscism and what you post, which is almost all made up of unsubstaniated claims backed by zero evidence.

As for the double blind tests for vaccine
do you think its ethical to expose unvaccinated children to polio to test your gut feelings. Oh wait you have no children.
Perhaps you will be able to find heaps of people will to expose children to life threatening diseases in the antivax movement.
But you might find less so in the medical world willing to take part in it for obvious reasons regarding the health and welfare of the children.
I guess its a real shame for you that mengele never finished his work on children in WW2.
Do you understand why what you are suggesting is actually abhorrent.?

[Katman]

Do you understand why what you are suggesting is actually abhorrent.?

Perhaps you should go back and re-read what I wrote.

I didn't make any suggestion.

[TheDemonLord]

I'm sure you'd find there's a whole lot more than that if you were bothered to look - which you're clearly not.

Yeah.

Sure.

Where are they then?

Cause of the ones you've posted or referenced - virtually none of them have valid Medical Credentials.

[TheDemonLord]

Are these growing number of medical professionals you refer to, like your pilots for truth 911 you refered to previously
Ie when someone looks at it we find its predominately made up of bagagge handlers and flight attendants and not pliots.

But seriously, you need to figure out the difference between normal sceptiscism and what you post, which is almost all made up of unsubstaniated claims backed by zero evidence.

As for the double blind tests for vaccine
do you think its ethical to expose unvaccinated children to polio to test your gut feelings. Oh wait you have no children.
Perhaps you will be able to find heaps of people will to expose children to life threatening diseases in the antivax movement.
But you might find less so in the medical world willing to take part in it for obvious reasons regarding the health and welfare of the children.
I guess its a real shame for you that mengele never finished his work on children in WW2.
Do you understand why what you are suggesting is actually abhorrent.?

To be fair - we do have a control group - who are exposed to Pathogens without a Vaccine.

We call it "The Third World" - and wouldn't you know it! Child Mortality from preventable diseases is massively greater than the First world.

It's just a shame that viruses aren't precision guided munitions - cause then Katman would be up in arms about it...

[husaberg]

Yeah.

Sure.

Where are they then?

Cause of the ones you've posted or referenced - virtually none of them have valid Medical Credentials.

He once posted someone who only pretended to be a doctor.
David Geier.

[Katman]

We call it "The Third World" - and wouldn't you know it! Child Mortality from preventable diseases is massively greater than the First world.

It's a shame they don't have the same standards of hygiene and nutrition.

Then you might be able to draw some sort of valid comparison.