Thinking of getting vaccinated?

[Katman]

Criticising MR. Wakefield is just an added bonus.

Oh well, 20 years later and the controversy shows no signs of abating. In fact it appears to be gathering support.

I suspect one day Andrew Wakefield will have the last laugh - although I also suspect he won't actually be laughing about it.

[husaberg]

Oh well, 20 years later and the controversy shows no signs of abating. In fact it appears to be gathering support.

I suspect one day Andrew Wakefield will have the last laugh - although I also suspect he won't actually be laughing about it.

Considering the vaccination levels are again rising that claim is total crap.

Good news: more than nine out of ten parents in the UK now choose to have their children vaccinated against measles, mumps and rubella (MMR).’
Measles-vaccination-rates-in-UK-recover-after-14-yearsHowever, this recovery just puts efforts to eliminate measles back where they were before the dramatic decline which began in the late 1990s.
The UK was ground zero for one of the most damaging vaccine scares in history: an epidemic of fear that the MMR vaccine was linked in some way to autism. The scare was sparked by a small and thoroughly debunked study by Andrew Wakefield, a medical doctor branded as “dishonest and irresponsible” by his peers.
14 years later, vaccination rates have recovered in the UK, with 91% of children now vaccinated against measles, mumps and rubella. This is the highest rate of MMR uptake since the publication of Wakefield’s paper in The Lancet in 1998. The paper has since been withdrawn by the journal with an admission that its central thesis was “utterly false”.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/hea...ures-show.html

I wonder how long it is before the parents of all those children who needlessly died or contracted preventable diseases figure out how much money hes making out of his fraud and organise a class action lawsuit against him based on his fraudulent work and claims see how much he will be laughing then.

[Katman]

I wonder how long it is before the parents of all those children who needlessly died or contracted preventable diseases figure out how much money hes making out of his fraud and organise a class action lawsuit against him based on his fraudulent work and claims see how much he will be laughing then.

The thing is though, Andrew Wakefield isn't forcing anyone to not vaccinate their child.

He can't be held liable in the little fantasy you're indulging in.

[husaberg]

The thing is though, Andrew Wakefield isn't forcing anyone to not vaccinate their child.

He can't be held liable in the little fantasy you're indulging in.

That's entirely incorrect considering The parents made decisions based on his proven fraudulent claims about Vaccination safety

Hes wide open for massive litigation suits to be brought against him especially given he now resides in the states and is by all accounts living a high life.
Making money from moviess and giving talks at $10,000 a pop
He would have to prove his claims were not fraudulent and he never attempted to profit from spreading false information which is a tough ask considering its been proven the claims were false and he did try and profit out of his false claims.
https://www.badgut.org/information-c...-vaccine-myth/
https://scienceblogs.com/insolence/2...akefield-was-p
https://www.vox.com/2015/2/2/7965885...ence-wakefield
His recently ditched wife is also now available to give evidence against him now also.

[Katman]

That's entirely incorrect considering The parents made decisions based on his proven fraudulent claims about Vaccination safety

Hes wide open for massive litigation suits to be brought against him especially given he now resides in the states and is by all accounts living a high life.
He would have to prove his claims were not fraudulent and he never attempted to profit from spreading false information which is a tough ask considering its been proven the claims were false and he did try and profit out of his false claims.
https://www.badgut.org/information-c...-vaccine-myth/
https://scienceblogs.com/insolence/2...akefield-was-p
His recently ditched wife is also now available to give evidence against him also.

That's quite a fertile* imagination you've got going there.

*(Fertilised with shit).

[husaberg]

That's quite a fertile* imagination you've got going there.

*(Fertilised with shit).

Fraud or misrepresentation occurs when one person intentionally misrepresents some important fact, intending to get a second person to act in a certain way. In order to sue someone for fraud or misrepresentation, the second person must have acted on the false information the first person gave and suffered some kind of damages, such as a physical injury or a financial loss, as a result.
In most fraud cases, the important fact or facts are misrepresented because the first person knows the second person won’t do what the first person wants if he knows what the true facts are.

In most U.S. states, an injured plaintiff attempting to prove a fraud or misrepresentation claim in court must prove that:
The defendant made a false representation (either a statement or other communication) of a material fact, or a fact that affected what the plaintiff would do;
When the defendant made the statement, he was trying to get the plaintiff to act a certain way;
The plaintiff reasonably relied on the statement when deciding how to act;
The plaintiff acted in a way he wouldn’t have if he had known the true facts; and
The plaintiff suffered injury as a result of relying on the falsely represented fact

In addition, to prove fraud the plaintiff must show not only that he did rely on the defendant’s false or misleading statement, but that it was reasonable for him to rely on that statement.

It took nearly two decades for the UK immunization rates to recover. By the end, UK families had experienced more than 12,000 cases of measles, hundreds of hospitalizations — many with serious complications — and at least three deaths.

So there is at least 12000 potential people to sue him there alone.

[Katman]

In most U.S. states, an injured plaintiff attempting to prove a fraud or misrepresentation claim in court must prove that:
The defendant made a false representation (either a statement or other communication) of a material fact, or a fact that affected what the plaintiff would do;
When the defendant made the statement, he was trying to get the plaintiff to act a certain way;
The plaintiff reasonably relied on the statement when deciding how to act;
The plaintiff acted in a way he wouldn’t have if he had known the true facts; and
The plaintiff suffered injury as a result of relying on the falsely represented fact

And yet, in 20 years it hasn't happened.

But just keep clutching at those straws.

[husaberg]

And yet, in 20 years it hasn't happened.

But just keep clutching at those straws.

A minute ago you said they couldnt now you appear to have changed tacts again.
It hasnt happened yet or if it has he may have settled out of court.
I doubt most victims of his fraud even realised he was making so much money it would be worth suing him. It certainly appears to be worthwhile doing so now. given his ability to contribute 50K to trumps campain and his 10K speaking engagements and movie deals
It would be rather just for it to happen. eggs like you can pay for his legal costs

[Katman]

It hasnt happened yet or if it has he may have settled out of court.

Keep clutching at those straws.

[Katman]

So there is at least 12000 potential people to sue him there alone.

And yet, in 20 years, no-one has.

Does that tell you anything?

[husaberg]

And yet, in 20 years, no-one has.

Does that tell you anything?

it was only a little over 10 years ago he was proven to be a fraud even less that he was proven to be profiting from his fraud.
Actually it was less

The GMC panel handed down its findings on January 28, 2010, concluding that Dr. Wakefield had been dishonest, violated basic research ethics rules, and showed a “callous disregard” for the suffering of children involved in his research.32 Included among them were four different proven findings of dishonesty against Dr. Wakefield, all proven to a standard of criminal fault—akin to “beyond a reasonable doubt” in the United States.33 Among other things, the panel found that Dr. Wakefield improperly subjected some children to invasive medical procedures such as colonoscopies and MRI scans. Dr. Wakefield also paid children at his son’s birthday party to have blood drawn for research purposes. The GMC panel found that Dr. Wakefield’s Lancet research was “dishonest,” “irresponsible,” “misleading,” and inaccurate. The panel found that Dr. Wakefield improperly failed to disclose his connections to planned litigation, his patents for a competing vaccine, and the bias inherent in his selection of study subjects. The GMC panel further found that Dr. Wakefield’s conduct “was such as to bring the medical profession into disrepute.”

[Katman]

it was only a little over 10 years ago he was proven to be a fraud even less that he was proven to be profiting from his fraud

Seriously, it's like you don't even notice how deep the hole's getting.

You're a special breed of dumb.

[husaberg]

Seriously, it's like you don't even notice how deep the hole's getting.

You're a special breed of dumb.

A special kind of dumb would be the guy using what has been as proven to be fraudulent information to support a theory that vaccinations are dangerous.
So has Andrew Wakefeilds vaccination been proven to be fraudulent and was Andrew Wakefeild removed as a Doctor as a result of this fraud.
You always avoid these salient points.

[Katman]

A specisl kind of dumb

[TheDemonLord]

Oh well, 20 years later and the controversy shows no signs of abating. In fact it appears to be gathering support.

I suspect one day Andrew Wakefield will have the last laugh - although I also suspect he won't actually be laughing about it.

It's almost like Herd Immunity is a thing and it's protecting most of the Fuckwits from the consequences of their Fuckwittery.

No, the people who won't be laughing are the Parents who've had to see their 7 month old child cough so hard that the lining of the lungs tear, filling up with fluid and slowly drowning them to death with their own blood.

Neither are People like Tarsha Boniface laughing.

The very real fact is that when Vaccination rates are above 90%, there were zero deaths for a period of 10+ years in the UK from Meningitis. Just take a look at Northland - Fuckwit central, they've swallowed the Anti-vax pill and now are starting to pay the price for the consequences of their Fuckwittery. It would be hilariously karmic, if it wasn't for the small fact of Parents having to bury their Children.

Do you know where the Controversy doesn't exist? In places where they don't have easy access to Vaccines and the Infant mortality rate is high and Parents regularly have to deal with the death of a Child, but in the west, guarded by the rest of us who are Vaccinated and protected by modern medicine - they stupidly decry the very thing that has given them such a high standard of living.