Thinking of getting vaccinated?

[TheDemonLord]

If you think you can make a valid argument out of it, feel free to approach the authorities about it.

Woooooooooosh...

[Katman]

Due to wearing a Helmet.

For that to be the case you'd need to show that they wouldn't have died if they hadn't been wearing a helmet.

It's somewhat easier to show that a person wouldn't have died from anaphylactic shock due to receiving a vaccine, if they hadn't received the vaccine.

[husaberg]

If you think you can make a valid argument out of it, feel free to approach the authorities about it.

A valid arguement classic its your own stupid conspiracy drivel regurgitated to another subject. nothing in its valid or logical
Beside as you know tin foiler the big helmet lobby would never let those figures see the light of day big medicine will be getting kickbacks from the big helmet lobby plus all the doctors and politicians

Woooooooooosh...

i think it flew over the cookoo nest a few times.

[TheDemonLord]

For that to be the case you'd need to show that they wouldn't have died if they hadn't been wearing a helmet.

It's somewhat easier to show that a person wouldn't have died from anaphylactic shock due to receiving a vaccine, if they hadn't received the vaccine.

Ooooo you are so close:

How about this: For that to be the case you'd need to show that they wouldn't have died from contracting full blown Measles if they hadn't received the Vaccine.

It's somewhat easier to show that a person wouldn't have died from a Motorcycle crash due to a lack of situational awareness, if they weren't wearing a helmet that restricted situational awareness.

[Katman]

How about this: For that to be the case you'd need to show that they wouldn't have died from contracting full blown Measles if they hadn't received the Vaccine.

But that's entirely speculation.

[TheDemonLord]

But that's entirely speculation.

Now, Take that Statement - apply it to your own ramblings - see how it fits....




Then, Take the real world data (like Japan) where over a thousand children died in the 3 separate outbreaks (which approximately occured when the generation that didn't get vaccinated went to Primary school, then secondary school then university).

Then, for further shits-n-giggles, look at the data from countries that don't have a vaccination program and look at their infant mortality rate.

129 dead vs over 1,000. And I'm not even bothering to adjust for Population size.

Which amount of Death is more acceptable to you - would you rather only 129 die or would you rater over 1,000 die.

[husaberg]

Now, Take that Statement - apply it to your own ramblings - see how it fits....
.

[Katman]

Now, Take that Statement - apply it to your own ramblings - see how it fits....

Dude, I'm just pointing out the usual shit standard of your analogies.

You're speculating if they contract measles and speculating if they might die from it.

Dying due to anaphylactic shock after receiving a vaccine doesn't involve any speculation.

[Katman]

Then, Take the real world data (like Japan) where over a thousand children died in the 3 separate outbreaks (which approximately occured when the generation that didn't get vaccinated went to Primary school, then secondary school then university).

Which three separate outbreaks are you referring to?

[husaberg]

Dude, I'm just pointing out the usual shit standard of your analogies.

You're speculating if they contract measles and speculating if they might die from it.

Surely that would be because several tens (if not hundreds) of thousands of people get the vaccine, some people react badly but the rest of them don't and then continue to not die of Measles?

I suspect, and this is a bit of guesswork, that if suddenly the vaccine was taken away, a lot more than 127 people over 15 years will die of the disease?

The death rate from measles had been in sharp decline for about 30 years before the vaccine was even discovered.

Exactly what were you speculating here then.......

The graph I posted shows that the rate of incidence from 1912 through to 1963 would average out to a fairly constant line.
The rate of death per incidence during that same time period shows a dramatic decrease.

I'm not ignoring the incident rate.
I'm addressing the claim that the introduction of the vaccine led to a massive decrease in the number dying from the disease.

And what do you think would explain the decrease in death to case ratio prior to the introduction of the vaccine?
'Cos it sure can't be due to the vaccine.

And furthermore, statements like "thousands of dead school children from measles outbreaks" is nothing but ridiculous scare-mongering.

The reality is that dying from measles is an extremely uncommon occurrence these days.

Due to a good vaccination program?

No, due to vastly improved sanitation and nutrition.

(Although the nutrition side could probably be questioned these days).

Like I said, I'm talking about the rate of death per incident.

If the rate of incident drops dramatically due to the introduction of a vaccine but the rate of death per incident doesn't change fuck all, how can the vaccine possibly be considered a contributor to a reduction in deaths per incident?

Like I've already alluded to, I'm addressing the scare-mongering that is attempted with statements like "thousands of dead school children due to measles outbreaks".

That's what I'm saying.
It didn't decrease due to a vaccine that wasn't even available then.

And I haven't questioned that.
I do question though whether the current vaccination schedule is aimed towards the well-being of society or the balance sheet of the pharmaceutical industry.

[Katman]

Exactly what were you speculating here then.......

I'm not speculating anything there.

That is exactly what the graph measuring measles mortality rates shows.

Do you even understand what speculation is?

[husaberg]

I'm not speculating anything there.

That is exactly what the graph measuring measles mortality rates shows.

Do you even understand what speculation is?

The above suggests you went far far beyond Mere speculation.
The mortatity rate graphs you like showing only show how many people die that have caught a disease in rates per thousand not how many people died before or afterwards as a result of the disease.
ps as proven above you are 100% full of crap. You Constantly and consistently misrepresent information and speculate on stuff you dont have the rational ability to comprehend.

[Katman]

https://thehill.com/opinion/healthca...g9TfQLLmKJukD8

[WALRUS]

https://thehill.com/opinion/healthcare/

Yeah, I'm yet to buy the whole anti-vax movement. Seriously, even if vaccines DO cause autism (in which case, so what!?) surely it's best to have a few autistic kids, than a few more dead ones.. I don't know about you, but I'd much rather my kid have autism than Polio

[Katman]

Yeah, I'm yet to buy the whole anti-vax movement. Seriously, even if vaccines DO cause autism (in which case, so what!?) surely it's best to have a few autistic kids, than a few more dead ones.. I don't know about you, but I'd much rather my kid have autism than Polio

As is entirely your right.