Thinking of getting vaccinated?

[Katman]

Or, you've finally realised just how shit your Video was.

Not at all.

He simply pointed out that the numbers suggest there is greater risk of dying from the vaccine than dying from the disease.

[Graystone]

Well it turns out that by the end of 2011 the Vaccine Injury Compensation Program had paid out compensation for 390 deaths.

Those 127 measles vaccine deaths might make up some of that number.

https://www.historyofvaccines.org/co...ation-programs

Please let us know if you ever get something more than 'might', until then:

[TheDemonLord]

Well google isn't helping me much in confirming your figure of over 1000 dead.

I'm curious to know how you arrived at that figure.

There isn't a direct source that tallies it up, there's a bit of Maths involved to get the number - I've posted references previously in this thread - The point being that the number of Dead from one generation of people that didn't get vaccinated is far higher than the total Dead of those who died of an Allergic reaction.




If the thrust of your (and Andrew Wakefield)'s argument was to look at ways to reduce the instance of Anaphylaxis, I might have some sympathy - but it isn't and never has been. On top of that - the current vaccination procedure (which I've gone through with my own flesh and blood) is to wait at least 30 minutes after administering the Vaccine incase there is a reaction (and the vaccination is done in a location were immediate first-aid can be administered)

[TheDemonLord]

Not at all.

He simply pointed out that the numbers suggest there is greater risk of dying from the vaccine than dying from the disease.

Whilst ommitting that the reason for so few people dying from the Disease is because the vast majority of the Population are Vaccinated.

Just like it's lunacy to suggest that because more people die who are wearing Helmets, they are more dangerous than not wearing Helmets. Exact same bullshit, half-baked, fallacious waffle.

[Katman]

There isn't a direct source that tallies it up, there's a bit of Maths involved to get the number

So the "over 1000 deaths" is just more wild speculation on your part.

Thanks for clearing that up.

[Katman]

Whilst ommitting that the reason for so few people dying from the Disease is because the vast majority of the Population are Vaccinated.

Should I remind you about the measles mortality rate graph again?

[TheDemonLord]

So the "over 1000 deaths" is just more wild speculation on your part.

Thanks for clearing that up.

It's closer to 2,000 from memory - and considering the WHO data, (~100 per year since the 1990s) it's not 'Wild Speculation' - the key point, is it's more than 130.

[TheDemonLord]

Should I remind you about the measles mortality rate graph again?

Sure - does it change that in Japan there are a whole bunch of Dead Children over a 20+ year period when there were ZERO deaths in the UK?

[Katman]

It's closer to 2,000 from memory - and considering the WHO data, (~100 per year since the 1990s) it's not 'Wild Speculation' - the key point, is it's more than 130.

Don't rely on your memory. You've proven time and again that your memory is shit.

Provide us with some facts to back up your claim.

[Katman]

Sure - does it change that in Japan there are a whole bunch of Dead Children over a 20+ year period when there were ZERO deaths in the UK?

Right, so now it's 'a whole bunch' instead of 'over 1000'.

Could you possibly be any more vague?

[matt.of.the.ingh]

Dude, your total contribution to this thread has been 6 posts - none of which contain anything resembling 'facts'.

Pot.... Kettle.

You have no facts. Vaccinations work.
That's why 50% of the world population isn't dead from small pox.

Muppet.

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[matt.of.the.ingh]

But they don't die because of the helmet.

Ahhhh! My god Katman....
They don't die because of the helmet. They die despite the helmet. More people survive because they wear a helmet, but unfortunately there are occasionally circumstances that mean a helmet doesn't save them.

Kids don't die because they are vaccinated. Thousands, if not millions, of lives each year are saved because of vaccinations. Unfortunately sometimes kids have allergies. It's massively rare, but it happens. It doesn't mean that vaccines are unsafe, it just means that sometimes shitty stuff happens.

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[TheDemonLord]

Right, so now it's 'a whole bunch' instead of 'over 1000'.

Could you possibly be any more vague?

The Final figure is disputed - the highest estimate I've seen is since the withdrawal of the MMR vaccine in Japan to be about 5,000 children Dead. This figure has to be taken with a grain of salt because (from memory) it includes deaths arising from complications (such as contracting full blown Meningitus, recovering, then dying from the Flu due to a compromised immune system)

For comparison, in the same time period - there were 0 children dead in the UK.

As Husa pointed out, the actual number isn't clearly known (it's almost like the Japanese government is guilty about their complicity in killing children...) the WHO estimates of 88/yr and considering the MMR jab was banned in 1993 - this gives you 26 year time period - and a total figure of over 2000 (2,288). However, we know that for the first few years from the withdrawal of the MMR jab, there was still enough Herd Immunity from the vaccinated populace to ward off most of the ill effects and we know that the first major outbreak co-incided about 5-6 years after the withdrawal (when those un-vaccinated walking incubators - aka Children) went to School - if you assume a 23 year period - the figure is just over 2,000, but as I said earlier - the most accurate number is an estimate of more than 1,000 but probably a bit less then 2,000.

However - lets just for the sake of argument only stick to the most recent and verified numbers: which is 88+85 - which is 173.

That number is greater than the total deaths cited in your video (and again, not adjusting for timeframe or population size).

So, on that basis Alone - if your goal is to reduce human suffering and Death - do you take the option that kills 129 people or the option that kills 173?

[Katman]

The Final figure is disputed - the highest estimate I've seen is since the withdrawal of the MMR vaccine in Japan to be about 5,000 children Dead. This figure has to be taken with a grain of salt because (from memory) it includes deaths arising from complications (such as contracting full blown Meningitus, recovering, then dying from the Flu due to a compromised immune system)

For comparison, in the same time period - there were 0 children dead in the UK.

As Husa pointed out, the actual number isn't clearly known (it's almost like the Japanese government is guilty about their complicity in killing children...) the WHO estimates of 88/yr and considering the MMR jab was banned in 1993 - this gives you 26 year time period - and a total figure of over 2000 (2,288). However, we know that for the first few years from the withdrawal of the MMR jab, there was still enough Herd Immunity from the vaccinated populace to ward off most of the ill effects and we know that the first major outbreak co-incided about 5-6 years after the withdrawal (when those un-vaccinated walking incubators - aka Children) went to School - if you assume a 23 year period - the figure is just over 2,000, but as I said earlier - the most accurate number is an estimate of more than 1,000 but probably a bit less then 2,000.

However - lets just for the sake of argument only stick to the most recent and verified numbers: which is 88+85 - which is 173.

That number is greater than the total deaths cited in your video (and again, not adjusting for timeframe or population size).

So, on that basis Alone - if your goal is to reduce human suffering and Death - do you take the option that kills 129 people or the option that kills 173?

Dude, that is still completely wild speculation.

If I tried coming at that you'd be trying to tear me to pieces.

[Katman]

Ahhhh! My god Katman....
They don't die because of the helmet. They die despite the helmet.

No shit Sherlock.

The point I was making is that those 127 people who died of an anaphylactic reaction to the vaccine died because they received the vaccine.

Clear now?