Thinking of getting vaccinated?

[mashman]

How do you explain the parents who are willing to potentially kill my most at risk child because they won't vaccinate their kids? But it's OK because he's "only" a retard, eh?

DS people run nearly leukaemic for much of their lives. He was too neutropenic to vaccinate for MMR and we were advised to avoid it until his white cell count was higher. Then I find that at least 30% of educated middle class fuckwits are quite happy to expose someone with a suppressed immune system to easily preventable childhood diseases that would most likely kill him.

And because he's a "retard" and an "economic drain and classroom distraction" most of the selfish fuckwits would be happy with that outcome. Some of them would say that to our face. Many complain that there's "too much" focus on him in the first place. Not my fault mainstreaming is policy and the much-vaunted "IHC centres" no longer exist. I'd much rather he didn't have to interface with the children of murderous idiots. He has a separate funding stream anyway.

I hate people. Especially middle class ones with access to the Internet. Which describes most motorcyclists.

They use the condition of your child as an excuse not to? Either way, your child is not their concern.

Unfortunately it's up to you to protect your child in the best way you see fit in such circumstances... same goes for everyone else and their own kids.

[Paul in NZ]

They use the condition of your child as an excuse not to? Either way, your child is not their concern.

Unfortunately it's up to you to protect your child in the best way you see fit in such circumstances... same goes for everyone else and their own kids.

Exactly so we should take anyone who gets sick with a preventable condition that didn't get vaccinated for and throw them into internment camp. Their illness is not my concern...

[mashman]

Its definitely a brick in that wall...

You should visit a really old cemetery and read the headstones... That while knowing that only those wealthy enough and religious enough are buried there. The numbers of really young are quite staggering.

Humanity regularly makes some major fuck ups. In general this isn't one of them...

Yup, vaccination generally isn't accepted as a fuckup... however there are vaccination fuckups.

Exactly so we should take anyone who gets sick with a preventable condition that didn't get vaccinated for and throw them into internment camp. Their illness is not my concern...

In which case, as I've said before, remove all vaccinations and let mother nature do her job. I'm kind of against punishment for non-compliance type issues.

[Oscar]

As it happens, I was in an IHC workshop the week before last, so I have had a look for myself. And yes, it was full of intellectually handicapped people.

But I did not see anything to suggest or confirm that their condition was the result of "medical fuck ups". Can you provide credible evidence for your assertion?

He's a dribbling old fuckwit who never backs up anything.

[Ocean1]

Very pretty graphs.

And if you looked at them with any intelligence they'd tell you that the largest contribution to human lifespan increases is immunisation. Which means your argument is bullshit.

[Ocean1]

They use the condition of your child as an excuse not to? Either way, your child is not their concern.

Unfortunately it's up to you to protect your child in the best way you see fit in such circumstances... same goes for everyone else and their own kids.

And the very best way for him to do that is to kill as many unvaccinated kids as possible before they kill his.

Which, by your reasoning is perfectly acceptable.

[Oscar]

Exactly so we should take anyone who gets sick with a preventable condition that didn't get vaccinated for and throw them into internment camp. Their illness is not my concern...

Actually it's probably the parents that should go into a camp.

One for the idiots who don't care or can't be bothered and a particularly nasty one for the fuckwits who just think they know better and/or are prepared to bank on the herd immunity.

[Oscar]

And if you looked at them with any intelligence they'd tell you that the largest contribution to human lifespan increases is immunisation. Which means your argument is bullshit.

The problem is that there IS a slight direct risk to health from immunisation.
I knew that when I immunised my kids, but I figured it is nowhere near the risk to health posed by these diseases in an unimmunised population.
The problem lies with these idiots avoiding that slight risk by banking on everyone elase taking the risk and immunising their kids.

[mashman]

And if you looked at them with any intelligence they'd tell you that the largest contribution to human lifespan increases is immunisation. Which means your argument is bullshit.

Oh, so people who used to live to over 100 years in age without a vaccinated population around them was just a fluke. Whew, I wondered how that worked, thanks for clearing it up.

And the very best way for him to do that is to kill as many unvaccinated kids as possible before they kill his.

Which, by your reasoning is perfectly acceptable.

You don't understand my reasoning.

[Ocean1]

The problem is that there IS a slight direct risk to health from immunisation.
I knew that when I immunised my kids, but I figured it is nowhere near the risk to health posed by these diseases in an unimmunised population.
The problem lies with these idiots avoiding that slight risk by banking on everyone elase taking the risk and immunising their kids.

Correct. The consequences of which is diseases which should be extinct continuing to kill humans indefinitely.

To correctly balance the risk equation they need to take into consideration not just thousands of potential deaths for this generation but the billions of future generations.

Maybe we offer inoculation plus exposure to the disease or just exposure to the disease. Think that'd improve the comprehension of the situation?

[Ocean1]

Oh, so people who used to live to over 100 years in age without a vaccinated population around them was just a fluke. Whew, I wondered how that worked, thanks for clearing it up.



You don't understand my reasoning.

With that single comment you prove that you don't understad it either.

[mashman]

With that single comment you prove that you don't understad it either.

Awesome position to take given that you didn't get the answer you wanted.

[Oscar]

Oh, so people who used to live to over 100 years in age without a vaccinated population around them was just a fluke. Whew, I wondered how that worked, thanks for clearing it up.



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Damn right.
A statistical fluke – you just have to look at the average lifespan pre-immunization.
There has to be some natural immunity in the population otherwise the diseases would have a 100% mortality rate.

[mashman]

Damn right.
A statistical fluke – you just have to look at the average lifespan pre-immunization.
There has to be some natural immunity in the population otherwise the diseases would have a 100% mortality rate.

Natural immunity? Why vaccinate then? as surely the survivors are already immune?

[James Deuce]

They use the condition of your child as an excuse not to? Either way, your child is not their concern.

Unfortunately it's up to you to protect your child in the best way you see fit in such circumstances... same goes for everyone else and their own kids.

You didn't read that at all. Herd immunity presupposes a vaccinated population. Those who cannot be vaccinated for sound medical reasons rely on herd immunity. It does not exist in NZ due to the roughly 30% of middle class fuckwits who don't vaccinate their kids. So they put those kids at risk deliberately. Yes, protecting my kid is their problem. So is me protecting your kid.

So despite all your waffle, you don't support social responsibility? My kid should be exposed to what is, quite frankly, an unacceptable risk profile because I can't protect him because others won't do the right thing. That is a shitty attitude, but to be expected from most people.