Thinking of getting vaccinated?

[TheDemonLord]

Perhaps you should offer your wealth of knowledge on the subject to these people.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5607155/

Some very interesting articles published by those researchers - several that would come under the banner of 'Alternative Medicine' - or as I like to refer to it 'Bullshit'.

But from the actual paper:

In this review, we discuss the possible underlying mechanisms of autoimmune reactions following vaccinations and review cases of autoimmune diseases that have been correlated with vaccination.

So no Causation then? GG, WP, Try again, come back when you've got a causal analysis.

[husaberg]

And yet when I make that statement, I'm a bloodthirsty Monster...



Well, it's either:

1: Rabid Jealousy at how dare Big Pharma make lots of Money
2: Misguided compassion at the fact some people do have allergic reactions and die
3: You're being a Cunt

Given how your arguments thus far have been 'but sooooooo many people die' - You'll forgive someone being charitable and assuming it's option 2.

However - the real solution to this problem is - you can call me a Nazi (GODWIN!) when you have kids of your own - when you've got Skin in the game, then you can tell people to go fuck themselves.

Until then however - I do have Kids, Husa has Kids - we hold others to the same standard we hold ourselves.

If you want to have the conversation around improving administering practices to reduce or eliminate the risk of death from an allergic reaction (which they already do) - Fine.
If you want to have the conversation around government overreach and where the authority of the Parent ends and the Wellbeing of the Child starts - Also, Fine.

But, to critique the risks of a Vaccine whilst simultaneously benefitting from the protection of a 95% vaccination rate is either Stupid or Malicious. So which are you?

Its pretty clear hes just One and three and then 3 and three and three plus some more three.
Katmans motives much like his cognitive capacity is pretty simple.
He cant claim it compassion given they he would rather see thousands of thousands of kids needlessly suffer what is an easily preventable disease.

do you vaccinate your pets for disease.
Or do you not trust these vaccinations and would rather take your chances on yourself?

Only the dog for kennel cough - and only because we couldn't book her into the kennels if she wasn't.

(other than telling the fucking Nazis who want to see mandatory vaccination implemented to go fuck themselves).

Also the statement about how he wont be forced to vaccinate is kids that don't exist, is rather funny given he admitted he vaccinated his dog on account he otherwise would not have been able to put it in a boarding kennel .
This sums up where he really is a big talking lion about what he says he will do on the internet yet when push comes to shove a meek timid little ginger tabby.


Out of interest how many different easily proven wrong theories do you think has he put up in the last week on Vaccination?

[Katman]

And yet when I make that statement, I'm a bloodthirsty Monster...

Because when you make the statement it's usually in connection with blowing people up with bombs.

[Katman]

However - the real solution to this problem is - you can call me a Nazi (GODWIN!) when you have kids of your own - when you've got Skin in the game, then you can tell people to go fuck themselves.

When people try to remove basic human rights from others I can tell them to go fuck themselves whenever I like.

And you can be sure I will.

[WALRUS]

How about this as a compromise?

Vaccinations are entirely optional, people who don't get vaccinated against potentially lethal diseases and take the risk of contracting, mutating, and then passing on said diseases can then go and live somewhere else. That way they won't have to worry about people in favour of vaccinations ranting at them, people in favour of vaccinations don't have to worry (founded or otherwise) about contracting some hideous Polio/Rubella/Measles hybrid death virus of doom, and everyone is happy?

I'll be more than happy to offer Victoria.. It's only full of Victorians anyway so fuck 'em. Or maybe Queensland? Fuck it, anti-vaxxers can just have Australia, I'll jump across the ditch and life goes on

Shazam, problem solved, thread over, lock now please

[Katman]

Some interesting reading.

http://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-persp...ccine-toddlers

[husaberg]

When people try to remove basic human rights from others I can tell them to go fuck themselves whenever I like.

And you can be sure I will.

What does Article three say in the basic human rights
Article 3 Right to Life,
1. Every human being has the inherent right to life. This right shall be protected by law. No one shall be arbitrarily deprived of his life.

it doesn't convey the right for a parent to choose not to treat a child for a disease quite the opposite. nor does it give right to taupo motorbike salesman to decide if his non existent kids will be treated for preventable diseases.

When a patient is not competent to give informed consent
When a patient is not competent to give informed consent
20. Under the Code every consumer is presumed competent
to make an informed choice and give informed consent.
There must be reasonable grounds for believing that the
individual consumer is not competent.

29. Occasionally, when people are unable or refuse to
consent to treatment and there is not unanimity between
the views of the doctor and the patient (or the patient’s
family), you may need to give patients and their families
the time, information and supportive resources needed
to work these issues through and seek advice from peer
groups, senior medical staff or an ethics committee before
proceeding. In rare cases where unanimity cannot be
reached and further delay may seriously impair health
outcomes, you may need to obtain a legal opinion on
whether to seek authority from the High Court. Such
cases are:


d) a dispute between parents based on religion or beliefs
about the treatment to be provided to a child.

39. Under section 8 no person shall be deprived of life except
on such grounds as are established by law and are
consistent with the principles of fundamental justice.
40. Section 9 states everyone has the right not to
be subjected to torture or to cruel, degrading, or
disproportionately severe treatment or punishment

[Katman]

What does Article three say in the basic human rights
Article 3 Right to Life,
1. Every human being has the inherent right to life. This right shall be protected by law. No one shall be arbitrarily deprived of his life.

Well now you're making the fundamental mistake of assuming that not being vaccinated automatically means that you will be deprived of your life.

[TheDemonLord]

Because when you make the statement it's usually in connection with blowing people up with bombs.

Yes - Using force or Science to minimise Human Suffering - It's almost like I actually care about my fellow Human. Whereas you'd happily stand by and watch people get Massacred or dying from preventable diseases over the fear of causing a single death by your hand.

When people try to remove basic human rights from others I can tell them to go fuck themselves whenever I like.

And you can be sure I will.

Good Job you've opted not to be a Parent then. You'll never have to worry about this 'Human Right' being revoked from you.

[TheDemonLord]

How about this as a compromise?

Vaccinations are entirely optional, people who don't get vaccinated against potentially lethal diseases and take the risk of contracting, mutating, and then passing on said diseases can then go and live somewhere else. That way they won't have to worry about people in favour of vaccinations ranting at them, people in favour of vaccinations don't have to worry (founded or otherwise) about contracting some hideous Polio/Rubella/Measles hybrid death virus of doom, and everyone is happy?

I'll be more than happy to offer Victoria.. It's only full of Victorians anyway so fuck 'em. Or maybe Queensland? Fuck it, anti-vaxxers can just have Australia, I'll jump across the ditch and life goes on

Shazam, problem solved, thread over, lock now please

When can we start? We'll have to Annex Northland, but that's a risk I'm willing to take...

[Katman]

Good Job you've opted not to be a Parent then. You'll never have to worry about this 'Human Right' being revoked from you.

True, but that won't stop me lending my voice in support of others who might.

[husaberg]

True, but that won't stop me lending my voice in support of others who might.

Only the dog for kennel cough - and only because we couldn't book her into the kennels if she wasn't.

Wow you sure stuck it to the man about Vaccination

Well now you're making the fundamental mistake of assuming that not being vaccinated automatically means that you will be deprived of your life.

Your fundamental mistake is you thinking anyone of sound mind would consider your ravings and opinion of the medical merit and dangers to be more informed than a doctors.
your musings and ill informed objections to any form of medical care are covered here
When a patient or caregiver is not competent to give informed consent
Also you might find you non existent non vaccinated child wont be enrolled into a school or childcare and if they get measles or another notifiable disease you have little rights at all.

ealth Act 1956
46. Under section 70(1)(e) a Medical Officer of Health
can require a person to report themselves or submit
themselves for medical examination at specified times
and places for the purpose of preventing the outbreak
or spread of any infectious disease.
47. Under section 70(1)(h) a Medical Officer of Health can
forbid a person to leave the health district or the place in
which he or she is isolated or quarantined until the person
has been medically examined and found to be free from
infectious disease, and until the person has undergone
such preventive treatment as prescribed by the Officer.
48. Under section 74 a doctor who believes a patient is
suffering from a notifiable disease or from any sickness
of which the symptoms create a reasonable suspicion that
it is a notifiable disease must immediately notify :
the occupier of the premises; and
every person nursing or in immediate attendance on
the patient; and
the Medical Officer of Health; and in some cases;
the local authority of the district.
49. Under section 79 a Medical Officer of Health can isolate
an individual who is likely to cause the spread of any
infectious disease, whether or not the individual is
suffering from the disease. Under subsection (4) force
may be used to isolate this individual if necessary until the
person has been medically examined and found to be free
of the infectious disease.

Just as well you never had kids (for their sake)

[Katman]

it doesn't convey the right for a parent to choose not to treat a child for a disease quite the opposite.

Vaccination is not the 'treatment' of a disease.

[husaberg]

When people try to remove basic human rights from others I can tell them to go fuck themselves whenever I like.

And you can be sure I will.

Only the dog for kennel cough - and only because we couldn't book her into the kennels if she wasn't.

You talk a tough game now but you folded to the kennel.

Vaccination is not the 'treatment' of a disease.

Ignore everything i said then say i said something i didn't, then you know better aye.

So how come you folded to the kennel over your dog then expect us to believe your non existent children wouldnt be vaccinated because of your beliefs.

i am picking your misses would have totally ignored you and done what she wanted to if you had been able to reproduce.
You talk a big game but a dog kennel had you turning yourself into a epic hypocrite in an nono second.

Only the dog for kennel cough - and only because we couldn't book her into the kennels if she wasn't.

Yet

And btw, I don't recall ever making a statement regarding my 'goal' - (other than telling the fucking Nazis who want to see mandatory vaccination implemented to go fuck themselves).

[Katman]

So how come you folded to the kennel over your dog then expect us to believe your non existent children wouldnt be vaccinated because of your beliefs.

Because I probably wouldn't plan to leave my kids at the kennels.