Same goes for Measles.Originally Posted by Katman
The difference is there is a Benefit to taking the Risk of Driving
There is no Benefit to taking the risk of catching a fatal disease.
The Majestic Metal Wizard
Same goes for Measles.
The difference is there is a Benefit to taking the Risk of Driving
There is no Benefit to taking the risk of catching a fatal disease.
Physics; Thou art a cruel, heartless Bitch-of-a-Mistress
Forum whore
Dude, it can be a fatal disease in a very tiny percentage of cases.
Stop making it sound like you're guaranteed to die if you contract measles.
The Majestic Metal Wizard
But people DO die from contracting it.
Do you get any benefit from contracting it?
Is it like the Comics books where if I get Measles I suddenly get a super Power? Oh? It isn't? Well, then - piss off with your false equivalency.
Physics; Thou art a cruel, heartless Bitch-of-a-Mistress
Forum whore
No, you caught autism instead.
The Majestic Metal Wizard
Well, if that's the case - it's paid for my House, it's paid for my Motorbike, it's paid for my Family.
Not too bad, as far as 'Super Powers' go then...
Physics; Thou art a cruel, heartless Bitch-of-a-Mistress
Forum whore
Dude, you don't need super powers to get those things.
The Majestic Metal Wizard
I think you missed the point, yet again.
Physics; Thou art a cruel, heartless Bitch-of-a-Mistress
Anorak
Thats only because of large scale vaccinations. Children also take far more car rides than they have vaccinations but dont let facts get in the way of a good misleading misdirection.
Cool another one
World wide You are far more likely to die from measles than die from getting a vaccination for Measles.
Vs 1 in a million for Vaccine related Death.As of 2013, measles remains the leading cause of vaccine-preventable deaths in the world. In developed countries, death occurs in one to two cases out of every 1,000 (0.1–0.2%). In populations with high levels of malnutrition and a lack of adequate healthcare, mortality can be as high as 10%.
But you know more than the WHO and the CDC and all the medical profession.
What is you medical training again?
Kinky is using a feather. Perverted is using the whole chicken
Forum whore
Dude, it was TDL who brought up the car ride idea.Children also take far more car rides than they have vaccinations but dont let facts get in the way of a good misleading misdirection.
Anorak
Was that an excuse for you to post misleading information then?
Or is it you dont know any better and are just grasping at straws as you can produce a single shread of credible evidence to support your far fetched accusations.
ps the fact you only reply to posts you heavily edit first proves you don't have credible information to back up the accusations you make. So you run and hide
Kinky is using a feather. Perverted is using the whole chicken
Forum whore
Just going on the Lancet article I posted earlier, there were 200,000 cases of measles in Japan in 2000 with 88 deaths.
That's 0.044% died of those who contracted the disease.
I wonder what the percentage of those who died is compared to the total number of people in Japan.
Anorak
Yet Japan has a vaccination rate over 80% so you point is mute. Not to mention if you are going to quote information get it right
There was AN ESTIMATED 200,000 CASES.
Japan tends not to report their measles related deaths each year as it makes them look a little silly.Despite these global efforts, however, measles is still endemic in Japan: there were an estimated 200 000 cases and 88 deaths (mainly in children) in 2000.
Note Japan people are also highly hygiene conscious and often a high percentage wear masks outside. they also dont tend to touch as other cultures do.Okinawa, a Measles-endemic Prefecture
in Japan
In 1998–1999, Okinawa Prefecture recorded 2,304 cases of measles, including 8 infant deaths.
In 2001, measles affected 1,565 persons and killed1 infant, as shown in Fig. 1. This figure highlights the remarkably high occurrence of measles in Okinawa in comparison with the national average. During this period, there were many measles
patients whose condition was severe enough torequire admission to ICUs. There also were many cases of gestational and perinatal measles and infant measles.
More than 450 patients with measles were admitted to Okinawa Prefectural Chubu Hospital in this period. The data of patients admitted to its ICU and patients with perinatal measles arediscussed below.
There were 13 patients with measles who were admitted to the ICU, 6 male and 7 female children. Of these, 5 patients were aged less than a year, 7 were aged 1, and 1 was aged 3. Two patients were extremely low-birth-weight infants(730g and 898g) who had been discharged from the neonatal ICU. The major complications of measles observed were pneumonia and ARDS
(acute respiratory distress syndrome) in 9 cases, encephalitis in 4 cases, and hemophagocytic syndrome in 2 cases, with some overlap; 4 patients died.
The cases of gestational and perinatal measles are shown in Table 1.
1 Eight pregnant and 3 postpartum women contracted measles. Maternal
complications were spontaneous abortion in 2 cases and pneumonia in 1 case. Four of the neo-nates developed measles (Table 2).2 One neonate developed pneumonia and recovered. There were no deaths in either the mothers or the neonates. Gestational and perinatal measles is known to result in a higher mortality rate than measles in women in general. Starting from this period we have been conducting an educational campaign in Okinawa, emphasizing that measles is a disease that can affect everybody, from neonates to adults https://www.med.or.jp/english/journa...01/019_023.pdf
but using rather simple maths ,Measles vaccine complication death rate is generally 1/Million for 88 people to die from vaccination it would take 88 million vaccinations. Using this common rule of thumb
Japan population is only 126 million. BTW.
Most japanese are only getting one jab and even if they get two its only less than 50%vof those each year the older kid that were not immunized earleir and the ones about 3. so likely on 15%or less of the population are getting a measles vaccination /year
But Japan and the world also vaccinate for more than just measles
Kinky is using a feather. Perverted is using the whole chicken
Why would you wonder such a useless fact?
What would be interesting is the percentage of people who died compared to the number of people who weren't vaccinated.
But even that would be a false figure, because Japan is a developed country with good health care and a well nurished population.
What is the point that you thought you were going to make?
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Forum whore
That in the year 2000 there were 88 deaths from measles out of a population of approx. 120 million.
My calculator won't even work out that percentage in a form that I can understand. But as far as I can make out it's lots and lots of zeros after the decimal point.
Yes. That's just repeating things you've been told. Why is that point relevant to the discussion?
You see most of those 120 million are vaccinated. Whilst the vaccines weren't 100% effective that still means that most of the population don't count towards the number of people susceptible to measles.
It's like if you tried to prove motorbike accidents aren't dangerous by pointing out how many car drivers don't die from them. They just aren't relevant.
Them you have to remember that of the people who haven't had the vaccines are all the disabled, sick, pregnant women etc who rely on herd immunity to keep them safe. Remember, the ones who can't be vaccinated.
I posted you a link.
I'm sure you would have read it because you.... Well, look back and try again. It's easy to read, I promise.
To make it really relevant you'd also have to look into diets and make sure that your sample reflected the diets of all people everywhere in the world. Because the mortality rate for measles is calculated world wide, not for a single generation in Japan.
So. In 2000, in Japan 88 people died from measles out of a total population of 126 million.
What point do you think those figures make, other than that you have no idea what they mean?
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