Thinking of getting vaccinated?

[Katman]

Even with the rough numbers and calculations provided - does it point more towards the position that I hold or more towards the position that Katman holds?

This isn't a competition between you and I.

I'm merely trying to encourage open and frank discussion about a subject that I consider to be of huge importance.

[TheDemonLord]

By he, do you mean demon lord? I've seen him mention autism loads in just this thread, all of them denying that he has it.
Everyone has Autistic tenancies, that's why it's referred to as a spectrum.

I've also read him repeatedly using clear evidence and correctly understood statistics to prove his points.

Demon lord, I think you may be bring to harsh by saying they are deliberately being malicious, I think that's making them mass and adding them thinking, or reading carefully what you say. They're just not that smart.
Seriously, check the comments about the bike helmet analogy, that's year four levels of comprehension and they consistently miss it whilst thinking their clever....

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I've been arguing with Katman on various topics since I joined this forum - he's an avid devotee of various conspiracies theories - and though I'll call him a fuckwith and an idiot - he's not completely stupid, for instance, his observations on the cause of rider crashes is normally spot on.

Since he knows the relevant data and chooses the side of the Conspiracy - I'm left with Malice.

As for Graystone - I suspect he 90% agrees with me on the Vaccination front (I don't know what his stance would be on compulsory vaccination), but even since I denounced the Cult of Social Justice (which he is an avid devotee), I'm the equivalent of either the Great Satan or a chauvanist pig from the 1800s - and so he can't bring himself to agree with me on anything else, lest he acknowledge that I could be right on something and have an understanding on various issues.

Which is why he's only popped in to engage in point-scoring against me, hence why I don't attribute good-faith to him either.

[TheDemonLord]

This isn't a competition between you and I.

I'm merely trying to encourage open and frank discussion about a subject that I consider to be hugely important.

Which issue do you consider to be hugely important?

Is it the Libertarian issue of governmental encroachment?
Is it the (widely debunked) issue of a link between Vaccines and Autism?
Is it the (objectively wrong) issue of the danger of a Vaccine outweighing the risk of the Disease?
Is it the jealousy that companies make what you consider to be excessive profits?

Because you keep flitting between each aspect, curiously when you get owned on whatever point you were previously on.

[husaberg]

i posted the link to the John Hopkins research paper. i have no idea whether it was that site or any of the others i have read.
But i notice you don't faulthis maths or the original paper.
Nor have you commented on the fact that the data you linked involed injection non injectable polysolbate 80.
You wouldn't have picked it out but i found it in about 45 seconds just by checking the spec sheets
The fact that you continue to post the tripe you do about autism and Vaccination shows you are not interested in facts or logic
You only either want to troll and spread misinformation or more likely you are that gullible the gallons of conspiracy kool aid you have drinking is actually 100% polysolbate 80
There are plenty of sites that debunk the crap that the antivax oinks have been posting on the net that gullible conspiratards like you lap up, the funniest is the ones where the antivaxers try and make out its actually in there as a contraceptive.
From memory that one was so misrepresented it involved the need to give a baby 4000 doses of Vaccine directly into the womb to replicate the trial done on hamsters that resulted in a loss or fertility.

No, the link you posted was simply a page listing the components of the DTaP vaccine.

Sorry right you are here is the abstract of the origional data the Johns Hopkins data was the Amounts present
https://thejns.org/view/journals/j-n...ticle-p674.xml
That still dosnt alter the fact that 2700 times the amount is needed or 4000 for your next conspiracy which will involve fertility which i am sure is a matter very close to your heart.

So it still doesn't account for your continued assertions about Autism and Vaccination seeing as how that was debunked long long ago.

[Katman]

Which issue do you consider to be hugely important?

Is it the Libertarian issue of governmental encroachment?
Is it the (widely debunked) issue of a link between Vaccines and Autism?
Is it the (objectively wrong) issue of the danger of a Vaccine outweighing the risk of the Disease?
Is it the jealousy that companies make what you consider to be excessive profits?

Primarily number 1.

But I also believe that we need to get to the bottom of what is causing the massive increase in the number of cases of autism.

(And yes, I'm aware that you will claim that there hasn't been an increase and that it is simply down to improved diagnosis - but I don't buy that).

[Katman]

Sorry right you are here is the abstract of the origional data the Johns Hopkins data was the Amounts present
https://thejns.org/view/journals/j-n...ticle-p674.xml

Where does it say anything about your "2700 times less" claim?

[husaberg]

Primarily number 1.

But I also believe that we need to get to the bottom of what is causing the massive increase in the number of cases of autism.

(And yes, I'm aware that you will claim that there hasn't been an increase and that it is simply down to improved diagnosis - but I don't buy that).

Do you notice how it went massively up in Japan despite vaccination rates going down or do you not want to discuss that

[husaberg]

Where does it say anything about your "2700 times less" claim?

The rate needed was calculated the rate in the vaccine is styated its pretty simple maths

[Katman]

The rate needed was calculated the rate in the vaccine is styated its pretty simple maths

Show me where the John Hopkins researchers calculated the amount needed to overcome the blood brain barrier then.

[husaberg]

Show me where the John Hopkins researchers calculated the amount needed to overcome the blood brain barrier then.

Refer to post 4550

While your there
Have a read of this
https://vaxopedia.org/2018/03/08/vac...brain-barrier/
http://justthevax.blogspot.com/2012/...for-maths.html
https://vaxopedia.org/2016/09/02/toxins-in-vaccines/
https://scientistabe.wordpress.com/2...science-stand/
https://www.skepticalraptor.com/skep...-another-myth/

[Katman]

http://justthevax.blogspot.com/2012/...for-maths.html

'Science based vaccine information from Catherina and Science Mom'.

Are you for fucking real?

[Katman]

Refer to post 4550

How about you just show us where it's been established that the amount of polysorbate 80 in a vaccine is 2700 times less than that needed to overcome the blood brain barrier.

[husaberg]

'Science based vaccine information from Catherina and Science Mom'.

Are you for fucking real?

So Science Mom Academic Scientist who isan infectious disease researcher employed by an academic institution.
Vs Steve from Taupo B2 in School cert English with a boy scout badge in first aid

or undergraduate degree in Biology from a top US research university and a graduate degree in Biochemistry/Endocrinology from a major US research university
Vs Steve from Taupo B2 English School Cert with a boy scout badge in first aid

Or DAVID H. GORSKI, MD, PhD, FACS is a surgical oncologist at the Barbara Ann Karmanos Cancer Institute specializing in breast cancer surgery, where he also serves as the Medical Director of the Alexander J. Walt Comprehensive Breast Center, Professor of Surgery and Oncology at the Wayne State University School of Medicine.
Vs Steve from taupo B2 English School C with a boy scout badge in first aid


on the subject of Vaccine safety and ingredients
Gee i wonder which ones would be better equipped

Ps youn still havent commented why the paper you linked injected food grade Materials rather than Inject-table pharmacutical grade

Wakefeild in a nutshell

[Katman]

on the subject of Vaccine safety and ingredients
Gee i wonder which ones would be better equipped

Dude, we stand at the crux of a potential breakthrough.

All you have to do is show where it has been irrefutably proven that vaccines contain 2700 times less than the amount of polysorbate 80 needed to overcome the blood brain barrier, and we can then put the whole polysorbate 80 topic to rest.

Chop chop.

[husaberg]

Dude, we stand at the crux of a potential breakthrough.

All you have to do is show where it has been irrefutably proven that vaccines contain 2700 times less than the amount of polysorbate 80 needed to overcome the blood brain barrier and we can then put the whole polysorbate 80 topic to rest.

Chop chop.

i posted the link you posted the source its not irrefutable it was the result of a researchers math that doesn't mean it can be done in humans after birth.
but what it does prove it isnt going to happen with 2700 times below the calculated rate to cross prior to birth
Just as is it is 11000 times the dose of a vaccine directly discharged into a womb to replicate the Fertility myth of Polysorbate 80 the antivaxers are trying to push