Thinking of getting vaccinated?

[Oscar]

fuken ell. Humans arent worth saving.

So you don't consider yourself one of us?

[mashman]

It's not what you said.
Make up your mind.

Yes it is... take my word for it.

[Oscar]

Yes it is... take my word for it.

I wouldn't take your word for much.

[Virago]

and they let you out???

and they let you out???

Yes. Funnily enough, some of the most mentally disabled occupants repeated themselves over and over too.

[Oscar]

Yes. Funnily enough, some of the most mentally disabled occupants repeated themselves over and over too.

In his case the problem is obvious to anyone reading his posts here.
The fact that he is showing clinical symptoms is merely confirmation of his mental condition.

[mashman]

I wouldn't take your word for much.

It has its days.

[yokel]

Yep, adaptive and passive immunity will keep a few alive.
In the meantime you get to hold your kids as they die.

haha talk about melodramatic,

Yes, vaccinations have prevented the deaths of millions. You didn't bother with the facts I see.



If they understand the reason human life expectancy has doubled in the last century or so but choose to risk reversing that trend for their kid and every other human on the planet including their descendants then they're idiots that need removing from the gene pool.

yes vaccines most likely do work, but that is no reason to just keep using them willy nilly like say antibiotics, you know the way doctors hand out antibiotics like candy, it's almost like they want them to lose their effectiveness?

we are fucking with the immune system and there fore nature, it will lead to weakness in the immune system.

I do not trust the medical profession, when they come out and say things like that getting cancer comes down to bad luck?? all because their efforts to detect it earlier with things like mammograms has pretty much fallen on its arse.
or when a doctor on some TV doco says getting cancer is just the price for being human.
I can not respect anything they have to say with an attitude like that. fuck the cunts

[TheDemonLord]

yes vaccines most likely do work, but that is no reason to just keep using them willy nilly like say antibiotics, you know the way doctors hand out antibiotics like candy, it's almost like they want them to lose their effectiveness?

Okay

This explains alot.

It is clear that you have no fucking clue as to how and why Vaccines work.

I would explain, but given the vomit inducing diatribes you put forward - I can't be fucked. You are wrong. You are wrong about Doctors. You are wrong about antibiotics. You are wrong on the Mechanics of why Antibiotics aren't as effective as they once were (it has more to do with the patient, less to do with the Doctors). And you are wrong about everything else.

Feel free to go do some reading about the difference between how a Vaccine works, How Antibiotics work and the differences between a Virus and Bacteria.

[Edbear]

Notable is that the pro vaccination group is arguing with the conspiracy theorist group.

Also notable, as with other thread topics, the anti's poo poo anyone who has done serious research and are firmly convinced they are right despite not doing any at all.

I always do due diligence on serious matters before making a decision and the overwhelming evidence is for vaccination. As a poster mentioned, the recorded evidence of serious adverse reactions falls within the margin of error for the studies.

As an example of more recent research changing over time, is to do with HRT. The anti group goes way overboard to trumpet the risk of developing breast cancer but now the research says that while it may possibly lead to a slight increase in risk for a few, modern studies show that it may reduce the risk of developing Ovarian cancer.

As usual, the risk factors are very small regarding serious side effects but anti vaccination people will jump on any adverse effects claiming the risk is too much.

Vaccination has been around plenty long enough to prove its efficacy.

[Akzle]

You are wrong on the Mechanics of why Antibiotics aren't as effective as they once were (it has more to do with the patient, less to do with the Doctors).

oh go on. please stand up and tell the class how it's the patient's fault that antibiotics are less effective.

dont forget to mention pathogens with developed resistance (that's science, or some shit) and how that's apparently wrong. because it's the patients' fault.

[yokel]

Okay

This explains alot.

It is clear that you have no fucking clue as to how and why Vaccines work.

I would explain, but given the vomit inducing diatribes you put forward - I can't be fucked. You are wrong. You are wrong about Doctors. You are wrong about antibiotics. You are wrong on the Mechanics of why Antibiotics aren't as effective as they once were (it has more to do with the patient, less to do with the Doctors). And you are wrong about everything else.

Feel free to go do some reading about the difference between how a Vaccine works, How Antibiotics work and the differences between a Virus and Bacteria.

I use to make cheese, so I know plenty about the differences between a virus and bacteria.
I know how a virus gets into a cell and replicates it's self blah blah.

The doctors hand out the antibiotics, so they are responsible for them.

[TheDemonLord]

oh go on. please stand up and tell the class how it's the patient's fault that antibiotics are less effective.

dont forget to mention pathogens with developed resistance (that's science, or some shit) and how that's apparently wrong. because it's the patients' fault.

Okay - since you asked:

http://www.sciencedaily.com/articles...resistance.htm

and from the WHO:

using antibiotics only when prescribed by a doctor;
completing the full prescription, even if they feel better;
never sharing antibiotics with others or using leftover prescriptions

One of the factors (from memory it is one of the bigger factors) is that Patients fail to take a full course - if one assumes (for the sake of easy maths) that at each dosage - 50% of the bacterial colony is killed off:
1st dose - 50%
2nd dose - 25%
3rd dose - 12.5%
4th dose - 6.25%

Etc.

Doses are prescribed (in the correct sense, not saying Doctors don't make mistakes here) for a person to take the full course - the idea being that even though by the time the patient is about 3/4 of the way through a course of antibiotics, they tend to feel better - there is still a very very small amount of the Bacteria present - unfortunately this small colony are the ones whose cell walls were able to withstand the antibiotic onslaught - this is due to their genetic makeup (either thicker cell walls, resistance to the antibiotic) and now this super colony of Bacteria are the ones that re-produce to make the next person sick and they have a higher resistance to Antibiotics.

When taking a full course however - that small amount is wiped (effectively antibiotic overkill) with the small survivors being in such a weakened state that the bodies own immune system is able to clear them out.

There you go Azkle.

[Akzle]

Okay - since you asked:

http://www.sciencedaily.com/articles...resistance.htm

and from the WHO:

using antibiotics only when prescribed by a doctor;
completing the full prescription, even if they feel better;
never sharing antibiotics with others or using leftover prescriptions

One of the factors (from memory it is one of the bigger factors) is that Patients fail to take a full course - if one assumes (for the sake of easy maths) that at each dosage - 50% of the bacterial colony is killed off:
1st dose - 50%
2nd dose - 25%
3rd dose - 12.5%
4th dose - 6.25%

Etc.

Doses are prescribed (in the correct sense, not saying Doctors don't make mistakes here) for a person to take the full course - the idea being that even though by the time the patient is about 3/4 of the way through a course of antibiotics, they tend to feel better - there is still a very very small amount of the Bacteria present - unfortunately this small colony are the ones whose cell walls were able to withstand the antibiotic onslaught - this is due to their genetic makeup (either thicker cell walls, resistance to the antibiotic) and now this super colony of Bacteria are the ones that re-produce to make the next person sick and they have a higher resistance to Antibiotics.

When taking a full course however - that small amount is wiped (effectively antibiotic overkill) with the small survivors being in such a weakened state that the bodies own immune system is able to clear them out.

There you go Azkle.

now remove antibiotics from your scenario.

[TheDemonLord]

now remove antibiotics from your scenario.

Easy - Patient dies within a few weeks from a treatable disease

[yokel]

Easy - Patient dies within a few weeks from a treatable disease

thats right, if you don't take antibiotics you will DIE! true story bro haha
I've never taken antibiotics.