Thinking of getting vaccinated?

**oldrider** · 3rd March 2015, 10:08

With all due respect - sell your motorcycle and drive a car - the authorities have proved it to be safer!

**Oscar** · 3rd March 2015, 10:09

Originally Posted by James Deuce

The big problem with pseudo-science is that it takes hours, days, weeks, even months, to refute something stupid that some scientist trying to save their research grant or principled religious person, or simply a misguided opinionated mother says. In the meantime hearsay, unfounded conjecture and outright misinformation become "fact". You're not doing research if you aren't looking at both sides of the equation and vetting the qualifications of those positing an argument.

Check out the fluridation debate in Hamilton.
Elected councils are prone to think that 100 stupid opinionated people spouting the same rubbish trump a couple of people who actually know what they're talking about.

**James Deuce** · 3rd March 2015, 10:30

Originally Posted by oldrider

With all due respect - sell your motorcycle and drive a car - the authorities have proved it to be safer!

That's just an appeal to authority logical fallacy.

**oldrider** · 3rd March 2015, 10:36

Originally Posted by James Deuce

That's just an appeal to authority logical fallacy.

I think we are on the same side of the river - if comes to crossing to the other side - I simply prefer my plan to yours!

**Oscar** · 3rd March 2015, 10:46

Originally Posted by James Deuce

That's just an appeal to authority logical fallacy.

Talking of logic in this forum?
Brave man...

**James Deuce** · 3rd March 2015, 10:52

Originally Posted by Oscar

Talking of logic in this forum?
Brave man...

You have to try.

**yokel** · 3rd March 2015, 16:32

Originally Posted by SpankMe

Science bitch. Try to understand it.

What an absolute load of jibber jabber nonsense.

**mashman** · 3rd March 2015, 16:34

Originally Posted by James Deuce

It should be compulsory.

So should micro chipping humans, birth licenses, govt ordered euthanasia etc...?

**yokel** · 3rd March 2015, 16:58

Originally Posted by mashman

So should micro chipping humans, birth licenses, govt ordered euthanasia etc...?

I bet when the time comes to get the "mark of the best", he'll be first in line.

**mashman** · 3rd March 2015, 17:27

Originally Posted by yokel

I bet when the time comes to get the "mark of the best", he'll be first in line.

I understand his point. It's logical... and I believe that until we're tailoring "vaccines" for individuals, we'll still have those who choose to put their children, and others, in harms way. It'll come under the banner, as so many other things do, of giving up a freedom to gain security in an uncertain world.

**haydes55** · 3rd March 2015, 21:22

Go back 50-100 years. Tell people that you have a way to prevent to polio, measles, mumps, rubella, flu amongst other diseases. Now tell them you don't want to protect your children from any of the above because you've read about a mother who vaccinated their kid and the kid had side effects.... And pretty much every single doctor and scientist in the world agrees you have a greater chance of having polio than of having a vaccination cause a debilitating condition... Which still wouldn't be worse than the original disease.

I'd rather have autism than polio. Thousands of kids get autism with or without vaccines... How the fuck can anyone prove a link when it occurs without the vaccines just as often?

I thought the only people stupid enough to believe vaccines are bad were crazy stupid Americans.

If you believe vaccines are a conspiracy by pharmaceutical companies, then you're a fool, you're actually securing their job for centuries to come. If everyone was vaccinated, the diseases would actually go extinct and there would be no need to vaccinate anymore. The fact these serious diseases still have outbreaks because of refusal to vaccinate proves how good for business vaccine conspiracies are. I bet vaccine conspiracies were probably started by a pharmaceutical company.

Ever met a parent with a kid that they refused to vaccinate, who has no longer got any living children? Or have spent weeks in quarantined hospital beds with entirely preventable illnesses? Reckon they will be singing praise of refusing vaccines?

**yokel** · 3rd March 2015, 21:40

Originally Posted by mashman

I understand his point. It's logical... and I believe that until we're tailoring "vaccines" for individuals, we'll still have those who choose to put their children, and others, in harms way. It'll come under the banner, as so many other things do, of giving up a freedom to gain security in an uncertain world.

no, it's not logical Jim.

check out this nonsense from Campbell live tonight with the trust us were experts "like wild fire boff" and the 11 white women all putting their hands up with their beautiful white babies, everyone knows us whites are smarter than everyone else so you'd be a fool to disagree.
is 170 out of 318000000 really an out break as shown on their cool maps with red dots popping up all over kind of like you know measles?
what a complete load of bullshit.
easy to see why the anti vaccine crowed would not want to take part in this "news story" and cock sucker John Campbell doesn't even bother to explain why?

http://www.3news.co.nz/tvshows/campb...#axzz3TIvJLz8a

**yokel** · 3rd March 2015, 21:50

Originally Posted by haydes55

Go back 50-100 years. Tell people that you have a way to prevent to polio, measles, mumps, rubella, flu amongst other diseases. Now tell them you don't want to protect your children from any of the above because you've read about a mother who vaccinated their kid and the kid had side effects.... And pretty much every single doctor and scientist in the world agrees you have a greater chance of having polio than of having a vaccination cause a debilitating condition... Which still wouldn't be worse than the original disease.

I'd rather have autism than polio. Thousands of kids get autism with or without vaccines... How the fuck can anyone prove a link when it occurs without the vaccines just as often?

I thought the only people stupid enough to believe vaccines are bad were crazy stupid Americans.

If you believe vaccines are a conspiracy by pharmaceutical companies, then you're a fool, you're actually securing their job for centuries to come. If everyone was vaccinated, the diseases would actually go extinct and there would be no need to vaccinate anymore. The fact these serious diseases still have outbreaks because of refusal to vaccinate proves how good for business vaccine conspiracies are. I bet vaccine conspiracies were probably started by a pharmaceutical company.

Ever met a parent with a kid that they refused to vaccinate, who has no longer got any living children? Or have spent weeks in quarantined hospital beds with entirely preventable illnesses? Reckon they will be singing praise of refusing vaccines?

Like a tree falling in the woods, if something is not reported did it happen?

http://youtu.be/6LfipChRciY

**mada** · 3rd March 2015, 23:06

Originally Posted by haydes55

Go back 50-100 years. Tell people that you have a way to prevent to polio, measles, mumps, rubella, flu amongst other diseases. Now tell them you don't want to protect your children from any of the above because you've read about a mother who vaccinated their kid and the kid had side effects.... And pretty much every single doctor and scientist in the world agrees you have a greater chance of having polio than of having a vaccination cause a debilitating condition... Which still wouldn't be worse than the original disease.

I'd rather have autism than polio. Thousands of kids get autism with or without vaccines... How the fuck can anyone prove a link when it occurs without the vaccines just as often?

I thought the only people stupid enough to believe vaccines are bad were crazy stupid Americans.

If you believe vaccines are a conspiracy by pharmaceutical companies, then you're a fool, you're actually securing their job for centuries to come. If everyone was vaccinated, the diseases would actually go extinct and there would be no need to vaccinate anymore. The fact these serious diseases still have outbreaks because of refusal to vaccinate proves how good for business vaccine conspiracies are. I bet vaccine conspiracies were probably started by a pharmaceutical company.

Ever met a parent with a kid that they refused to vaccinate, who has no longer got any living children? Or have spent weeks in quarantined hospital beds with entirely preventable illnesses? Reckon they will be singing praise of refusing vaccines?

http://tvnz.co.nz/national-news/hami...sation-6011225

The anti-vaccer's would be crying for blood if their child or elderly parent caught an infectious disease off a non-immunised health worker.