Thinking of getting vaccinated?

[HenryDorsetCase]

So clearly for any vaccination the key is "Which of your children do you like the least?"

[mashman]

Shes the deputy leader of the social credit party....

She is/was also a vet. She also supported NZ First at the last election, and supported the Money Free Party the election before. I have met her and actually have a well formed dislike of her. But she does raise fair few points that aren't limited to a political opinion on a thing.

[Gearup]

She is/was also a vet. She also supported NZ First at the last election, and supported the Money Free Party the election before. I have met her and actually have a well formed dislike of her. But she does raise fair few points that aren't limited to a political opinion on a thing.

What caused the dislike?

[Swoop]

It's when science is no longer backed by observation that the problems occur. One person tells another, who tells another, who tells another... which starts to question the validity of the science.

No, The "science" remains completely logical and credible*.
When one moron talks to another moron, then passes the info on - THAT is referred to as "gossip".



Did you know:
* If all the books and information about science and also about religion were removed from the face of the planet, all of the books on science would get re-written the same as before as it is verifiable. All of the religious books would be utterly different.
Science, eh.

[Katman]

Did you know:
* If all the books and information about science and also about religion were removed from the face of the planet, all of the books on science would get re-written the same as before as it is verifiable. All of the religious books would be utterly different.
Science, eh.

Except, throughout time, science has been rewritten as new things are learned.

As it should be.

[Katman]

As I suspect vaccine science will be rewritten as we learn more about the blood/brain barrier and the potential for harm if toxins are allowed to pass through it.

[HenryDorsetCase]

No, The "science" remains completely logical and credible*.
When one moron talks to another moron, then passes the info on - THAT is referred to as "gossip".



Did you know:
* If all the books and information about science and also about religion were removed from the face of the planet, all of the books on science would get re-written the same as before as it is verifiable. All of the religious books would be utterly different.
Science, eh.

and its even easier than ever for fucktards to spread any sort of fuckwittery due to the wonder that is social media. So, yay!

[nseagoon]

I have seen reactions to vaccination. One thing to consider medically a reaction is deemed anaphylactic and reactions may not present as such and some genetic markers are simply more succeptible to turning positive and causing a reaction.

I see the Oxford Vaccine group has MenACWY vaccination as their control for COV19 vaccine testing (rather than no vaccination or an unvaccinated subject)
Their reasoning was they prefer it to the saline placebo otherwise participants who have any reaction would be able to guess they had received the ChAdOx1-nCoV-19 vaccine.
seems odd to confirm an expectation of reactions.


On top of that legally a vaccination can't be made mandatory in NZ.
Under the Health and Disability Commission amongst other rights there is the
-right to informed consent
-right to choose (or refuse) services and care

The biggest one to me is as a Libertarian I believe everyone has the right to choose and make decisions on their lives even without me agreeing with their choices.
take aside the emotion and realise if what we want becomes mandatory it opens the path for what we don't want as well.
Judging by some of the commentary here it seems eugenicists have their preference.
I do support people having choices and acting on them in a manner of their choosing having consented being presented all relevant information.

[Berries]

The biggest one to me is as a Libertarian I believe everyone has the right to choose and make decisions on their lives even without me agreeing with their choices.

You must read a lot of books.

[mashman]

What caused the dislike?

A few things were more than off putting... but I Am funny that way.

[mashman]

No, The "science" remains completely logical and credible*.
When one moron talks to another moron, then passes the info on - THAT is referred to as "gossip".

Did you know:
* If all the books and information about science and also about religion were removed from the face of the planet, all of the books on science would get re-written the same as before as it is verifiable. All of the religious books would be utterly different.
Science, eh.

So you're saying that when the observation doesn't match the science, that the science remains completely logical and credible? Right. The moron in question is the first observer of the non-sciency thing, you know, like the apple landing on the head incident and gravity thing. The next person is then another observer of the same thing, and so on until it is describe in books. It is the foundation of science innit.

You don't think that man would recreate religion? You fucking idiot.

[HenryDorsetCase]

I have seen reactions to vaccination. One thing to consider medically a reaction is deemed anaphylactic and reactions may not present as such and some genetic markers are simply more succeptible to turning positive and causing a reaction.

I see the Oxford Vaccine group has MenACWY vaccination as their control for COV19 vaccine testing (rather than no vaccination or an unvaccinated subject)
Their reasoning was they prefer it to the saline placebo otherwise participants who have any reaction would be able to guess they had received the ChAdOx1-nCoV-19 vaccine.
seems odd to confirm an expectation of reactions.


On top of that legally a vaccination can't be made mandatory in NZ.
Under the Health and Disability Commission amongst other rights there is the
-right to informed consent
-right to choose (or refuse) services and care

The biggest one to me is as a Libertarian I believe everyone has the right to choose and make decisions on their lives even without me agreeing with their choices.
take aside the emotion and realise if what we want becomes mandatory it opens the path for what we don't want as well.
Judging by some of the commentary here it seems eugenicists have their preference.
I do support people having choices and acting on them in a manner of their choosing having consented being presented all relevant information.

Cool. I am a libertarian and I am going to come to your house and straight up murder you. Thats my choice and it makes me happy.

If you think about it, if you read the odd book you will realise that taken to its absurd logical conclusion it just will not work. In the same way that socialism wouldnt because people are basically cunts.

So, we invented the social contract: in return for things like a national defence, a right to liberty (within reason) and free speech (eithin reason) we agree to give up some things - the "right" to come to your house and murder you and your family, that sort of thing. Generally it works pretty well.

Nothing wrong with eugenics, assuming I am in charge of the programme. I'd be happy to issue a breeding licence - but given your demonstrable lack of anything except an appreciation for the Goons, you are unlikely to get one. We've actually got most of the infrastructure and personnel in place. Shut the borders, repurpose the Immigration department. Job done.

[Katman]

Cool. I am a libertarian and I am going to come to your house and straight up murder you. Thats my choice and it makes me happy.

You must be a fucking shit lawyer.

Are you at least cheap?

[nseagoon]

A right doesn't infringe on other rights.
You can't just do anything it's within any right based constraints.
E.g. essentially anything victimless isn't a crime (uo to a point)
Libertarian beliefs are small government, you're confused with Anarchism which also has similar ideas but without backup of any government.

Ironically unlike Neddy I am not inflicted with ducks disease.

But i digress back to the thread topic.
I pointed out legislation would have to change to alter inherent inherent rights , changing the goalposts to support mandatory medication.


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[Katman]

I pointed out legislation would have to change to alter inherent inherent rights , changing the goalposts to support mandatory medication.

Unfortunately, once politicians get in their head that they want to change legislation, they usually just set about doing so.

It's the public that needs to make New Zealand politicians aware that mandatory vaccination is unacceptable.