Thinking of getting vaccinated?

[nseagoon]

Unfortunately, once politicians get in their head that they want to change legislation, they usually just set about doing so.

It's the public that needs to make New Zealand politicians aware that mandatory vaccination is unacceptable.

Agreed. For any medication or medical procedure they should never be state mandatory.
Unfortunately the general population apart from voting blue or red every 3 years for the most part they are apolitical and don't see the big deal when it comes to rights,
and just envisage some flag waving mullet shouting in the streets when one mentions rights.

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[Katman]

Unfortunately the general population apart from voting blue or red every 3 years for the most part they are apolitical and don't see the big deal when it comes to rights,
and just envisage some flag waving mullet shouting in the streets when one mentions rights.

There's not just 39 million sheep in New Zealand.

[husaberg]

There's not just 39 million sheep in New Zealand.

Only there is not 39 million sheep in NZ, there isn't even 30 million either
In 2016 it was 27.6m.
But why would you ever be expected to get a fact right...........

[James Deuce]

I have seen reactions to vaccination. One thing to consider medically a reaction is deemed anaphylactic and reactions may not present as such and some genetic markers are simply more succeptible to turning positive and causing a reaction.

I see the Oxford Vaccine group has MenACWY vaccination as their control for COV19 vaccine testing (rather than no vaccination or an unvaccinated subject)
Their reasoning was they prefer it to the saline placebo otherwise participants who have any reaction would be able to guess they had received the ChAdOx1-nCoV-19 vaccine.
seems odd to confirm an expectation of reactions.


On top of that legally a vaccination can't be made mandatory in NZ.
Under the Health and Disability Commission amongst other rights there is the
-right to informed consent
-right to choose (or refuse) services and care

The biggest one to me is as a Libertarian I believe everyone has the right to choose and make decisions on their lives even without me agreeing with their choices.
take aside the emotion and realise if what we want becomes mandatory it opens the path for what we don't want as well.
Judging by some of the commentary here it seems eugenicists have their preference.
I do support people having choices and acting on them in a manner of their choosing having consented being presented all relevant information.

Doesn't work. Most people are giant fuckwits.

[F5 Dave]

So you're saying that when the observation doesn't match the science, that the science remains completely logical and credible? Right. The moron in question is the first observer of the non-sciency thing, you know, like the apple landing on the head incident and gravity thing. The next person is then another observer of the same thing, and so on until it is describe in books. It is the foundation of science innit.

You don't think that man would recreate religion? You fucking idiot.

You must be a speed reader. It's like normal reading but without the comprehension.

Go and Google scientific method and keep reading the whole first paragraph until you see the difference between what you just wrote.

To further prove a point, you last sentence proves you totally misunderstood Swoop saying man Would recreate religion, not wouldn't. There was a subtle but important nuance there to absorb.

[Naki Rat]

An interesting viewpoint.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/hea...al-and-immoral

That article is equally applicable to flouridisation of municipal water supplies as it is to vaccination (i.e. mass medication)

[Katman]

And the question of mandatory vaccinations is only one of the issues we'll be facing over the coming weeks, months, years.

https://www.newsroom.co.nz/ideasroom...ZgFHJGwwXO-s8s

[sidecar bob]

And the question of mandatory vaccinations is only one of the issues we'll be facing over the coming weeks, months, years.

https://www.newsroom.co.nz/ideasroom...ZgFHJGwwXO-s8s

I guess were only one vaccination away from that being a non issue.
They go on to say that it's not normal for the government to know where you are all the time.
Mark Lundy was convicted using evidence of that nature in 19 years ago, I doubt he was even a person of interest the night he allegedly committed his special crime.

[pete376403]

This seems appropriate here.

[HenryDorsetCase]

Mark Lundy was convicted using evidence of that nature in 19 years ago, I doubt he was even a person of interest the night ha allegedly committed his special crime.

Wellllll..... they always look at the spouse so he would have been a POI for sure. Of course his position was "Well I was in Lower Hutt fucking a prostitute at the time" actually made his defence look robust.

[jellywrestler]

Wellllll..... they always look at the spouse so he would have been a POI for sure. Of course his position was "Well I was in Lower Hutt fucking a prostitute at the time" actually made his defence look robust.

they didn't here, not until days later when they couldn't check gas in his tank etc, that was one of their major fuck ups. Also cell phone info wasn't as elaborate in those days, yes they knew he was in teh hutt valley but the span for towers back then was something like 7km radius, so he could have been abywhere within 14km, the journey and time frame he had with 28km removed is quite a significant chuck of time simply.

[sidecar bob]

Wellllll..... they always look at the spouse so he would have been a POI for sure. Of course his position was "Well I was in Lower Hutt fucking a prostitute at the time" actually made his defence look robust.

What I mean, is they weren't tracking him deliberately that evening as a POI.
He became a person of interest ths following day for sure, but they were tracking him the previous evening, as they are all of us regardless if we are on a short list or not.
The article I quoted was scaremongering that the govt will suddenly start tracking us.
If you're carrying a cellphone they have been for at least two decades.

[Katman]

The article I quoted was scaremongering that the govt will suddenly start tracking us.
If you're carrying a cellphone they have been for at least two decades.

The article discusses the potential for greatly increased levels of surveillance.

But then again, I didn't expect you would understand it.

[Swoop]

Except, throughout time, science has been rewritten as new things are learned. As it should be.

Quite so. Facts are the cornerstone of science & the human race's future depends on it.

So you're saying that when the observation doesn't match the science, that the science remains completely logical and credible? Right. The moron in question is the first observer of the non-sciency thing, you know, like the apple landing on the head incident and gravity thing. The next person is then another observer of the same thing, and so on until it is describe in books. It is the foundation of science innit.

You don't think that man would recreate religion? You fucking idiot.

You really are a prime candiate for the Anti-MENSA Society.

To further prove a point, your last sentence proves you totally misunderstood Swoop saying man Would recreate religion, not wouldn't.

An example of facts over fiction. Hopefully the human race would not be so stupid as to re-write the religious bullshit. Imagine if the world didn't need to go to war with each other over who's imaginary friend was the best?

[pritch]

This vaccine might arrive earlier than we think. Dr Fauci said twelve to eighteen months, but there's a lot of very bright people around the world working very hard on this. There's a sure fire Nobel science prize up for grabs as well. A million dollars plus ain't to be sneezed at.

The testing process is bound to be accelerated too, and the result may be forthcoming in record time. It will need to be quick though because the world economy is stuck in freeze frame until the vaccine is available.