Thinking of getting vaccinated?

[Dean]

There was the QR for supermarkets but it was never checked but I didn't experience that for petrol stations. Let's get back on track, you initially stated you couldn't do anything or go anywhere without a vaccine card (hyperbole I know). You weren't talking about lockdown in you initial statement. I'm arguing that I only recall showing my vaccine card at restaurants.

Ok,

- Clarifying my intention was on the lockdown levels regarding my initial statement.
- If that was your true personal experience; great.
- I encountered issues with attending a funeral, having my kids over, employment…list goes on.

Big picture - what is the end game here?

Your views are based off your lived experience, I have a differing opinion based off mine - shall we agree to disagree? (Respectfully)

[Dean]

Snipping a bit here and there - those funerals, those people in terminal care - many people were in that situation BECAUSE of covid, yet some see the lockdonws as. a greater imposition. And you can now go off to your Thursday beers possibly because the lockdowns and vaccinations were successful at curbing the spread.

Sure, some were affected more than others, some of which had pre existing health conditions, and that was truly unfortunate, but I disagree with your use of the word “many”.

I’ve had it - no different to the flu - I am of average health: I dealt to it over a few days and life goes on.

I don’t have a degree in medical science, nor claim to be better than them, but that was my personal experience (and many others I know) which helps form my opinion. On top of my doubt when private healthcare with an open cheque book tell me they are producing a vaccine for mine and your benefit.

I realise this is a rather unpopular opinion on KB, but KB isn’t necessarily the best cross section of data to reflect overall society either.

Respect & protect your right to have an opinion though Pete, that’s the beauty of a democracy.

[SaferRides]

Sure, some were affected more than others, some of which had pre existing health conditions, and that was truly unfortunate, but I disagree with your use of the word “many”.

I’ve had it - no different to the flu - I am of average health: I dealt to it over a few days and life goes on.

There are many people who were affected by the lockdowns. I won't bore you with my experience, but I have talked to many people who had their or their family's lives significantly impacted. But you generallly don't hear them going on about it as most realised that there was a much bigger picture.

I have no problem with people who decided for whatever reason not to be vaccinated, provided they did not try to convince others to do the same based on misinformation. But then it was pretty irresponsible to carry out a mass vaccination programme and not warn people of the risks, even if they were low, like myocarditis. Most drugs have a list of warnings, and vaccines should be no different.



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[R650R]

It’s amazing how fast we’ve forgotten for the most part the draconian restrictions during the higher level lockdowns, especially during the “eliminate” phase. I guess we’re all so busy now living our lives like today’s the last day before the next event.

There were a lot of things that you MUST comply with but practicality meant it was rarely enforced.
Some people were lucky having large families or relaxed neighbours and able to form small enclaves for social contact. Others like me have vulnerable health wise either side that were terrified of the virus so were isolated apart from still being able to go to work.

We were told to trust the science but the media were allowed to perpetuate nonsense that you could catch it from touching a petrol pump handle which was later announced to be 100% false. You weren’t allowed to go to the beach despite salt water and a good salty breeze being a great cleanser of the lungs.

I wonder if the pain of lockdown being recently helped the South Koreans rapidly reject the martial law/coup attempt last week?

[pritch]

It’s amazing how fast we’ve forgotten for the most part the draconian restrictions during the higher level lockdowns, especially during the “eliminate” phase. I guess we’re all so busy now living our lives like today’s the last day before the next event.

There were a lot of things that you MUST comply with but practicality meant it was rarely enforced.
Some people were lucky having large families or relaxed neighbours and able to form small enclaves for social contact. Others like me have vulnerable health wise either side that were terrified of the virus so were isolated apart from still being able to go to work.

We were told to trust the science but the media were allowed to perpetuate nonsense that you could catch it from touching a petrol pump handle which was later announced to be 100% false. You weren’t allowed to go to the beach despite salt water and a good salty breeze being a great cleanser of the lungs.

This and other posts here are a reminder of how faulty our memories are. During the time our "draconian" lockdown was in effect people in Europe were dying untreated in massive numbers. People were being buried in mass graves in New York but the numbers were so high they had to store the dead in refrigerated trucks.

NZ was spared all of that due to the courage of Ardern and others. You may not like that but it's true. You personally may be alive only because of the governments reaction. Had the NZ government reacted like most others thousands of us would be dead.

When COVID did arrive, as was inevitable, it was a milder form and most, but not all, survived it. Mistakes were made but we hadn't had a worldwide pandemic in a hundred years so things were a bit rusty. Overall New Zealand had a world leading response and we should be grateful. Not whinging about not being able to go to the beach.

[TheDemonLord]

This and other posts here are a reminder of how faulty our memories are. During the time our "draconian" lockdown was in effect people in Europe were dying untreated in massive numbers. People were being buried in mass graves in New York but the numbers were so high they had to store the dead in refrigerated trucks.

NZ was spared all of that due to the courage of Ardern and others. You may not like that but it's true. You personally may be alive only because of the governments reaction. Had the NZ government reacted like most others thousands of us would be dead.

When COVID did arrive, as was inevitable, it was a milder form and most, but not all, survived it. Mistakes were made but we hadn't had a worldwide pandemic in a hundred years so things were a bit rusty. Overall New Zealand had a world leading response and we should be grateful. Not whinging about not being able to go to the beach.

Straight out of the Labour propaganda machine.

NZ was spared, not by any government intervention, but by our lack of mass transit systems, geographic isolation, low population density and increased UV radiation levels.

You forget... the NZ Governement *did* react like most others.

As for faulty Memories - I am still paying the price, in multiple ways (not just financially). Everyday is a painful reminder of period of history. So no, I assure you - my memory is quite clear.

[sugilite:Me]

My apologies if this has been posted before.

[Dean]

This and other posts here are a reminder of how faulty our memories are. During the time our "draconian" lockdown was in effect people in Europe were dying untreated in massive numbers. People were being buried in mass graves in New York but the numbers were so high they had to store the dead in refrigerated trucks.

NZ was spared all of that due to the courage of Ardern and others. You may not like that but it's true. You personally may be alive only because of the governments reaction. Had the NZ government reacted like most others thousands of us would be dead.

When COVID did arrive, as was inevitable, it was a milder form and most, but not all, survived it. Mistakes were made but we hadn't had a worldwide pandemic in a hundred years so things were a bit rusty. Overall New Zealand had a world leading response and we should be grateful. Not whinging about not being able to go to the beach.

You’re dreaming about Ardern again Pritch,

As TDL pointed out - isolated geography, low population density, a under utilised public transport system and an overall healthier population spared NZ.

People of average health, of most ages - deal to it in a few days and life goes on - like myself.

Some of the top countries affected by COVID (deaths) + population density + life expectancy + infant mortality
India - 420 km2 - 70.4 - 28.4.
Brazil - 25.1 km2 - 76.6 - 12.3.
Russia - 5,000 km2 based off Moscow - 71.6 - 6.4.
Mexico - 66.5 km2 - 77.3 - 12.1.

And now NZ -18 km2 - 82.2 - 3.6.

Now I have been generous because I took the overall density for countries like brazil, a vast geographic landscape with many scattered rural communities. If I were to use the urban density (where the spread and effect's where mostly seen) per km2 it would be vastly higher.

Further to this the mode usage (people who actually use PT, not just the amount of infrastructure, shows on average 30-40% across the board, whereas NZ - 25%.

[husaberg]

You’re dreaming about Ardern again Pritch,

As TDL pointed out - isolated geography, low population density, a under utilised public transport system and an overall healthier population spared NZ.

People of average health, of most ages - deal to it in a few days and life goes on - like myself.

Some of the top countries affected by COVID (deaths) + population density + life expectancy + infant mortality
India - 420 km2 - 70.4 - 28.4.
Brazil - 25.1 km2 - 76.6 - 12.3.
Russia - 5,000 km2 based off Moscow - 71.6 - 6.4.
Mexico - 66.5 km2 - 77.3 - 12.1.

And now NZ -18 km2 - 82.2 - 3.6.

Now I have been generous because I took the overall density for countries like brazil, a vast geographic landscape with many scattered rural communities. If I were to use the urban density (where the spread and effect's where mostly seen) per km2 it would be vastly higher.

Further to this the mode usage (people who actually use PT, not just the amount of infrastructure, shows on average 30-40% across the board, whereas NZ - 25%.

If it's based on population density maybe you would like to explain this for me "Dean".

More Americans were vaccinated heading into the winter of 2021 and 2022 (roughly corresponding to the omicron wave), but nearly 10% of the country lived in areas where less than half of the adult population was vaccinated as of November 2021. Death rates in these low-vaccination counties were roughly twice what they were in counties that had 80% or more of their population vaccinated(

Especially bearing in mind where Trumps support base lived....looking forward to your non answer "Dean"I do however enjoy the way you totally ignore strict quarantine and all the other things trump and the USA and the UK ignored.

[Dean]

It’s amazing how fast we’ve forgotten for the most part the draconian restrictions during the higher level lockdowns, especially during the “eliminate” phase. I guess we’re all so busy now living our lives like today’s the last day before the next event.


We were told to trust the science but the media were allowed to perpetuate nonsense that you could catch it from touching a petrol pump handle which was later announced to be 100% false. You weren’t allowed to go to the beach despite salt water and a good salty breeze being a great cleanser of the lungs.

Spoken like a gentleman and a scholar! Good to see some common sense

[BMWST?]

If it's based on population density maybe you would like to explain this for me "Dean".

Especially bearing in mind where Trumps support base lived....looking forward to your non answer "Dean"

One reason may be because the access to "healthcare" incl access to the "vaccine" is inversely proportianal to popuation density

[Dean]

One reason may be because the access to "healthcare" incl access to the "vaccine" is inversely proportianal to popuation density

Great post “BMWST”.

My original “analysis” few posts above took into account a mix of contributing “factors” including infant mortality rate and life expectancy which is linked to one’s access to “healthcare” as you pointed out.

Hence we see some nuances of data across the world. But overall an “overwhelming” conclusion that NZ was “spared” by a mixture of a) isolated geography, b) low population density, c) under utilised Public Transport system and d) healthier population or better access to healthcare.

“Thanks”
“Dean”

[pritch]

As TDL pointed out - isolated geography, low population density, a under utilised public transport system and an overall healthier population spared NZ.

People of average health, of most ages - deal to it in a few days and life goes on - like myself.

It seems we have two people determined to deny reality. TDL is blinded by his dislike for Ardern so he credits anything but the Labour government. He is also blind to the ineptitude of the Tory government in Britain and Trump's malicious mismanagement. You too either can't comprehend reality or don't want to.

Sure, now COVID generally isn't fatal. When it first appeared in Europe and the US it was much more dangerous, hospitals were overloaded and people were dying in corridors untreated. We were spared that by prompt government action. Don't overcomplicate it.

[pritch]

My apologies if this has been posted before.

Tyson is good but the other guy is an idiot. "America is supposed to be the one that offers most freedom." Nonsense. The US has the biggest incarcerated population on the planet and isn't even rated top ten internationally for freedom. New Zealand is rated higher.

[Grumph]

Tyson is good but the other guy is an idiot. "America is supposed to be the one that offers most freedom." Nonsense. The US has the biggest incarcerated population on the planet and isn't even rated top ten internationally for freedom. New Zealand is rated higher.

As he was so often Fred Dagg/John Clarke was correct. We don't know how lucky we are....