Thinking of getting vaccinated?

[sugilite:Me]

Tyson is good but the other guy is an idiot. "America is supposed to be the one that offers most freedom." Nonsense. The US has the biggest incarcerated population on the planet and isn't even rated top ten internationally for freedom. New Zealand is rated higher.

Yeah, I generally like Tyson if it is a one on one type gig like this one. Get him on a panel and he sucks all the oxygen out the room leaving none for the other panelists

Agreed about the other guy, the dufus was suggesting they should of tested the covid vaccine for 10 years at one point

[sugilite:Me]

This view is not specific to a political party alignment, and everything to do with exercising discernment about a collective of private healthcare companies that fast tracked a vaccine who traditionally value profit over cure. And the exploitation of basic liberty. That applies to any and all.

Your guy was one of the drivers for fast tracking the vaccine - yes?
https://trumpwhitehouse.archives.gov...accine-summit/

Or the "beautiful shot" as he referred to it as being?
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/tru...credit-vaccine

[husaberg]

One reason may be because the access to "healthcare" incl access to the "vaccine" is inversely proportianal to popuation density

Only it really isn't .
Some places its completely directly proportional.
For instance Singapore and Manhattan and Tokoyo have some of the best access to healthcare and also the highest population densities.
As someone mentioned Vaccine roll out and availability was generally significantly higher in areas with higher population densities.
What you may need to understand is Dean is simply taking a series of data and attempting to use it out of context.
which is why the areas are cherry picked, Russia data FFS. Russia remember had no COVID cases....
There is in real life far more complicated interplay with disease spread and management.
Dean is just an internet troll. Doing internet troll things

[BMWST?]

We were talking specifically about COVID. Try and keep up.

I am keeping up its just we are going in different directions

[SaferRides]

Your guy was one of the drivers for fast tracking the vaccine - yes?
https://trumpwhitehouse.archives.gov...accine-summit/

Or the "beautiful shot" as he referred to it as being?
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/tru...credit-vaccine

I'm sure he never mentioned any of this during his 2024 campaign. But it did make a difference to the rapid development and production of the Moderna and Pfizer vaccines, which saved many lives.

Quite ironic.

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[SaferRides]

Hence we see some nuances of data across the world. But overall an “overwhelming” conclusion that NZ was “spared” by a mixture of a) isolated geography, b) low population density, c) under utilised Public Transport system and d) healthier population or better access to healthcare.

“Thanks”
“Dean”

In reality, it was a mixture of geography, good luck and bad management. We are isolated, but we were a bit slow closing the border and only just kept COVID under control. But we avoided the worst of it and should be grateful.





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[nerrrd]

It's certainly been an interesting sociological study.

Without a few more pandemics, I don't think anyone will ever really know for sure what the best approach is (and it'll be different each time).

[SaferRides]

It's certainly been an interesting sociological study.

Without a few more pandemics, I don't think anyone will ever really know for sure what the best approach is (and it'll be different each time).

We'd already had a warning, it was the SARS outbreak in 2002. Some countries in SE Asia were prepared.

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[Kb2020dope]

Very interesting statistics...Health NZ have reported a 50,000 increase in emergency department admissions from 2022-23.

That's 137 more people per day going to Emergency Departments around the country compared to last year.

Couple that with the massive increase in Kiwis under 40 presenting at EDs with chest pain and you got to ask yourself why is that?

[Grumph]

Very interesting statistics...Health NZ have reported a 50,000 increase in emergency department admissions from 2022-23.

That's 137 more people per day going to Emergency Departments around the country compared to last year.

Couple that with the massive increase in Kiwis under 40 presenting at EDs with chest pain and you got to ask yourself why is that?

Because in a lot of cases it's no longer possible to see a GP. Also if you ring any GP clinic the message is always - Go to ED if it's urgent.

The chest pain is stress caused by the actions of the current crop of banditti in power. Plus the bad kiwi diet due to having to eat the cheapest food

Every post you make exposes your rightwing conspiracy theory attitude. You're going on ignore

[TheDemonLord]

Because in a lot of cases it's no longer possible to see a GP. Also if you ring any GP clinic the message is always - Go to ED if it's urgent.

The chest pain is stress caused by the actions of the current crop of banditti in power. Plus the bad kiwi diet due to having to eat the cheapest food

Every post you make exposes your rightwing conspiracy theory attitude. You're going on ignore

The data was 2022-2023.

Labour were still in power then.

I mean, if you want to say that the Chest Pain was due to Stress caused by Government actions - I will be the first to support you...

[BMWST?]

Only it really isn't .
Some places its completely directly proportional.
For instance Singapore and Manhattan and Tokoyo have some of the best access to healthcare and also the highest population densities.
As someone mentioned Vaccine roll out and availability was generally significantly higher in areas with higher population densities.
What you may need to understand is Dean is simply taking a series of data and attempting to use it out of context.
which is why the areas are cherry picked, Russia data FFS. Russia remember had no COVID cases....
There is in real life far more complicated interplay with disease spread and management.
Dean is just an internet troll. Doing internet troll things

No i mean the opposite Rural areas with low population densities are the ones who have poor access to health care .

[Kb2020dope]

The data was 2022-2023.

Labour were still in power then.

I mean, if you want to say that the Chest Pain was due to Stress caused by Government actions - I will be the first to support you...

Amen to that!

[Dean]

The data was 2022-2023.

Labour were still in power then.

I mean, if you want to say that the Chest Pain was due to Stress caused by Government actions - I will be the first to support you...

Fair call! I too had chest pain from stress of Ardern government (and don’t forget Biden and Kamala).

Maybe Grumph is right - that was a large contributing factor for the increase in chest pains in NZ 22/23!

[pritch]

Agreed about the other guy, the dufus was suggesting they should of tested the covid vaccine for 10 years at one point

Work started on mRNA vaccines in the 1960s so I don't know how long the antis would consider long enough. I pointed this out to an anti and he told me the date the vaccine was patented. Almost as if he thought a COVID vaccine should have been patented before COVID existed?

By a historical accident the technology was available, it just needed to be adapted to the new threat.