Thinking of getting vaccinated?

[Katman]

The fifth horseman. I've posted this before but it fits here.

Misinformation?

'Safe and Effective' springs to mind.

[Berries]

Well Santa is an anagram of Katman.

I knew he was real.

[Katman]

God knows the mainstream media is not perfect, far from it. It is vastly better tha the alternative though.

Really, it's not.

There are a great number of highly intelligent and well researched alternative information platforms out there.

You should look for some.

[Dean]

Really, it's not.

There are a great number of highly intelligent and well researched information platforms out there.

You should look for some.

Great to see you back on here Uncle, merry Xmas, hope family are well.

[Katman]

In the interest of full disclosure, I am not Dean's uncle.

We don't even know each other.

I assume he just likes to call people Uncle.

[Katman]

Anyone starting to wonder about the number of young, fit and healthy athletes dying suddenly yet?

[nerrrd]

Anyone starting to wonder about the number of young, fit and healthy athletes dying suddenly yet?

If it’s this guy you’re talking about, “The death is not suspicious and has been referred to the Coroner” can refer to a suicide.

Also my brother was young, fit and healthy when he died at the age of 24 in 1986. He wasn’t an athlete, though.

[Katman]

If it’s this guy you’re talking about, “The death is not suspicious and has been referred to the Coroner” can refer to a suicide.

He's just one of many.

[Kickaha]

Anyone starting to wonder about the number of young, fit and healthy athletes dying suddenly yet?

There have always been fit, healthy young athletes dying suddenly, has the rate at which they are dying increased ?

[Katman]

There have always been fit, healthy young athletes dying suddenly, has the rate at which they are dying increased ?

There certainly seems to have been a noticeable increase in footballers collapsing on the pitch.

Nov 2020 Sajjad Ali
Jan 2021 Alex Apolinário
Mar 2021 Abdul Rahman Atef
Apr 2021 Dejan Oršuš
Apr 2021 Tremaine Stewart
June 2021 Giuseppe Perrino
June 2021 Viktor Marcell Hegedüs
July 2021 Jajov Adenan
Sept 2021 Dylan Rich
Sept 2021 Jens De Smet
Sept 2021 Guillermo Arias
Nov 2021 Jony López
Dec 2021 Karol Setniewski
Dec 2021 Ahmed Amin
Dec 2021 Mukhaled Al-Raqadi
Dec 2021 Marin Ćaćić
Dec 2021 Sofiane Loukar
Jan 2022 Marcos Menaldo
Feb 2022 Alexandros Lampis
July 2022 Aleksandr Kozlov
Sept 2022 Mariano Ondo
Sept 2022 Alexandru Vagner
Nov 2022 Andrés Balanta
Dec 2022 Erion Kajtazi
Feb 2023 Arne Espeel
Mar 2023 Siphamandla Mtolo
Mar 2023 Andrew Sarakinis
Apr 2023 Martin Filipčić
Aug 2023 Deon
Nov 2023 Raphael Dwamena
Nov 2023 Agyemang Diawusie
Jan 2024 Gefrison Cande
May 2024 Afonso Rossa
July 2024 Ahmed Refaat
Aug 2024 Juan Izquierdo
Dec 2024 Kaylen Dennis
Dec 2024 Erion Morina

And that's just a list of footballers that played at a high enough level to warrant a mention in Wikipedia.

I wonder how long the list of players who collapsed on the field due to heart issues, and yet recovered, would be.

[pritch]

Really, it's not.

There are a great number of highly intelligent and well researched alternative information platforms out there.

You should look for some.

Yes, I do. I'm even considering paying for one. I choose them in a rather more discriminating manner than do you apparently. You've only been back five minutes and you've already mentioned several idiot fringe conspiracy theories. Please don't take that as a challenge to mention a whole lot more. I'm sure you have an extensive list.

Oh, and happy New Year.

[Katman]

You've only been back five minutes and you've already mentioned several idiot fringe conspiracy theories.

Which ones might they be?

That the mRNA vaccines are linked to adverse heart conditions?

[Dean]

Anyone starting to wonder about the number of young, fit and healthy athletes dying suddenly yet?

And could anyone else wonder, based on Husatroll’s data on page 369, why the overall ED admissions from 2017 to 2020 averaged 434,000 not exceeding 446,000 visits and the lowest in 2020 (not proportional to population growth). Then from 2021 to 2023 a significant YOY increase outstripping population growth (4% + etc) & reaching new highs. While 2024 6months data (up to July) has already reached 68% of the 2017-2020 annual average.

Then you look at people under 40’s admitted to ED via chest pains.
Some will flap their fannys around the pre COVID increase % without using real world logic.
From 111 (2018) to 2,219 (2019) then 4,406 (2020). But:

- 2,000 to 4,000 in itself is not a alarming number that reflects the wider society.
- Nor is it alarming for a country of our population.

Here’s the kicker:
2021 - 13,063
2022 - 21,416

If in fact the increase was caused to factors pre COVID, which we have half a brain to know it isn’t, then this massive increase is not consistent with the pre COVID % increase.

Oh and 21,000 is a much bigger number than 4,000 for the liberals on here - just FYI.

[TheDemonLord]

Which ones might they be?

That the mRNA vaccines are linked to adverse heart conditions?

There does seem to be some reasonable correlation between the Covid Vaccine and Heart issues. However, that seems to be more related to Covid than the type of Vaccine. IIRC, people who got Covid and recovered had a higher incidence of heart issues before the Vaccine.

Which would lead to a speculation that part of how the Virus affects the body does include the heart.

[onearmedbandit]

Well there was this guy.

https://www.odt.co.nz/news/dunedin/l...-covid-vaccine

Health and Disability Commissioner Morag McDowell has released her report concerning Nairn’s death, which the Coroner had earlier determined was directly caused by the Comirnaty (Pfizer/BioNTech) COVID-19 vaccine.

Please note I'm not suggesting anything related to whether the vaccine was right or wrong by posting this, just that there were people directly affected by it. I assume that with any vaccine there is a chance, no matter how small, that some will have adverse affects.