Thinking of getting vaccinated?

[mashman]

In your link it states that the mRNA never enters the cell nucleus while in mashman's link (in Pfizer's own words) it states that the mRNA exits the nucleus.

Surely for it to exit, it must first have entered.

Perhaps someone should advise Pfizer that they don't appear to know what they're talking about.

It does enter the cell, but it doesn't interact with DNA... it simply mugs the DNA version of a message and adds/edits/updates/deletes/replaces (pick your therapy) it with instructions on how to build a defense (activate sets of proteins) against something in particular should it ever come across the same, or similar (?), that matches that description.

As OAB says, it's not quite as cut and dry as that... outwith the legal bollocks that surrounds it for purposes beyond medicine.

Edit... same link, heh.

[Katman]

... it simply mugs the DNA version of a message and adds/edits/updates/deletes/replaces (pick your therapy) it with instructions on how to build a defense (activate sets of proteins) against something in particular should it ever come across the same, or similar (?), that matches that description.

What could possibly go wrong?

[mashman]

What could possibly go wrong?

It might not work... which could lead to all sorts of unintended consequences given the power of the technology being wielded. Then entire populations would be seen as digging their heals in on general principle v's evidence after the fact highlighting just how much a certain things didn't work as intended... and could also cause a bit of damage to people who otherwise might have otherwise flicked off the 'problem' naturally, or indeed died.

But hey, these guys are real smart.

[Katman]

But hey, these guys are real smart.

Yeah, they should conduct a huge experiment.

Oh, wait......

[mashman]

Yeah, they should conduct a huge experiment.

Oh, wait......

It honestly leaves me somewhat gobsmacked... to then go on and hide the research behind several decades of legal protection v's letting the scientific community know what you did and didn't do etc... so that they could possibly get to work finding out what went wrong......, it's a real wtf moment.

[onearmedbandit]

The funny thing about you claiming Pritch was bowing out due to being 'clearly out of his depth', is that everyone in this thread is clearly out of their depth. No one here, not a single person, has even a remote grasp on the topic (happy to be proven wrong if you can supply your credentials).

It's akin to a bunch of people with no background in rocket science debating how NASA is doing it wrong or right with rocketry. No one is equipped with enough knowledge to debate the technical details. The only issue I would personally stand strong on is if the governments of the world said to be able to interact socially or go to your job you had to go for a ride on their rocket for the safety of everyone in society.

I'm out anyway, I'm out of my depth.

[Katman]

The funny thing about you claiming Pritch was bowing out due to being 'clearly out of his depth', is that everyone in this thread is clearly out of their depth. No one here, not a single person, has even a remote grasp on the topic (happy to be proven wrong if you can supply your credentials).



I'm out anyway, I'm out of my depth.

My apologies if I've hit a nerve there.

I might not be a molecular biologist but I have been reading and listening to what many respected molecular biologists/scientists have been saying for the past four years.

What's funny is how 'doing your own research' seems to have become a frowned upon pastime these days.

[Katman]

And my comment directed at pritch was due to the fact that if he did indeed read the three links, as he said he did, then he completely failed to comprehend them.

[mashman]

everyone in this thread is clearly out of their depth

Without question.

(happy to be proven wrong if you can supply your credentials)

A long chain of credentialled people are responsible for us ending up in the current set of messes.

Pick ya poison... not someone else's. Ya might choke to death, but at least it's on you and not someone else then

[pritch]

The funny thing about you claiming Pritch was bowing out due to being 'clearly out of his depth', is that everyone in this thread is clearly out of their depth. No one here, not a single person, has even a remote grasp on the topic (happy to be proven wrong if you can supply your credentials).

It's akin to a bunch of people with no background in rocket science debating how NASA is doing it wrong or right with rocketry. No one is equipped with enough knowledge to debate the technical details. The only issue I would personally stand strong on is if the governments of the world said to be able to interact socially or go to your job you had to go for a ride on their rocket for the safety of everyone in society.

I'm out anyway, I'm out of my depth.

Edzackery.

[mashman]

Perhaps that's why Judith Collins is currently rushing the Gene Technology Bill through Parliament.

Just seen some commentary about that, including: "The wording of the Bill mandates that the NZ regulator must reciprocally approve any gene altered medicines and procedures within 30 days of their approval by any two countries overseas. ".

[Katman]

Just seen some commentary about that, including: "The wording of the Bill mandates that the NZ regulator must reciprocally approve any gene altered medicines and procedures within 30 days of their approval by any two countries overseas. ".

So the removal of our basic human rights could be subject to the whim of any two tin-pot little countries in the arse end of nowhere.

This should be in the Stupid World thread.

[mashman]

So the removal of our basic human rights could be subject to the whim of any two tin-pot little countries in the arse end of nowhere.

This should be in the Stupid World thread.

It seems a little ludicrous to be true... but honestly, these days, with what's going on in the world, I'd almost be surprised if that wasn't an actual clause in the bill.

[Katman]

It seems a little ludicrous to be true... but honestly, these days, with what's going on in the world, I'd almost be surprised if that wasn't an actual clause in the bill.

Oh, it's real alright.

https://www.legislation.govt.nz/bill...MS1011810.html

[mashman]

Oh, it's real alright.

https://www.legislation.govt.nz/bill...MS1011810.html

"Subpart 7—Recognised overseas authorities

Clause 57 provides that the Regulator may declare that a person in another jurisdiction is a recognised overseas authority for the purposes of specified provisions of this Bill".

lol, not even countries, just 2 out of jurisdiction authorities... even if that authority is a single person. We've gone beyond Stupid World.