Thinking of getting vaccinated?

[F5 Dave]

Yeah but how many of those people died with covid, and how many tripped over at night and fatally injured themselves?.
Makes you think . . .
Or probably the opposite.

[Katman]

Yeah but how many of those people died with covid, and how many tripped over at night and fatally injured themselves?..

Or died in a car crash.

Or drowned.

Or electrocuted themselves.

Or fell off a ladder.

Or committed suicide.

(I could go on).

So yes, it does make you think.

[SaferRides]

The recent inquiry had people making their various self interested points. Many didn't rely overmuch on facts. Here are some relevant details.

Also note the countries missing from the graph, where there was high mortality. But that data really says it all.

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[husaberg]

It's just what self-appointed gatekeepers do.

He can't bear the idea that someone holds a different opinion to his.

More to the point, why do you keep coming back?

Now you are pretending to be a mind reader yet you seem to struggle with accurately interpreting simple basic facts.
What I find ironic is your narcissistic projection regarding people being 'upset' by opinions.

This is especially funny as i know you have been banned for your behaviour from multiple websites on multiple occasion for the personal abuse you have dished out when you have been upset over others opinions.
To be clear, as you lack basic comprehension skills.
I have no issue with or anyone else you sharing their personal views.
You attempt to constantly present conspiracy theories as being established facts.
There is a significant difference between having an opinion and spreading misinformation.
Whats assuming is when you called called on it you run off and hide like the little crybaby you are.

[Katman]

Now you are pretending to be a mind reader yet you seem to struggle with accurately interpreting simple basic facts.
What I find ironic is your narcissistic projection regarding people being 'upset' by opinions.
This is especially funny as i know you have been banned for your behaviour from multiple websites on multiple occasion for the personal abuse you have dished out when you have been upset over others opinions.
To be clear, as you lack basic comprehension skills.
I have no issue with or anyone else you sharing their personal views.
You attempt to constantly present conspiracy theories as being established facts.
There is a significant difference between having an opinion and spreading misinformation.
Whats assuming is when you called called on it you run off and hide like the little crybaby you are.

[husaberg]

Nice comeback, shame for you evidence shows you are a numpty projecting hypocrite.

see, that's what makes you a fucking moron.

What the fuck has him being sent to a nuthouse have to do with the theory of what we're discussing?

no, i'm just wondering how fucking stupid you're prepared to make yourself sound.

you wouldn't recognise fact if it fucked you up the arse.

debating with fucking morons is becoming tiresome.

what a fucking condescending dickhead.
Fucking moron.

you really are a bitter piece of work, aren't you?

you seem to struggle when it comes to answering questions

fuck off dickhead, debating with the likes of me is the only exercise your excuse for a fucking brain gets.

i would challenge everyone to sit through this movie with an open mind.(i realise that rules out bogan and ed).

maybe i'm the only one paying attention.

can i slag you off on here if you get it wrong?

you're just looking at them all wrong..

seriously man, you're as fucked in the head.

you have repeatedly shown you are not interested in debating evidence.
You simply attempt to wear down your opponent by talking in circles while not actually saying anything..

so you'll be happy to outline your reasons (or provide evidence) why a shadowy organisation is conspiring .

so why would you feel the need to try to appear superior to anyone who holds a different view of 911 to yours?

no. What's misguided is burying your head in the sand and pretending that there's nothing wrong.

it doesn't surprise me that you'd struggle with the concept of right versus wrong.

sometimes you're "spectacularly" wrong.

you sound confused.

your assumption is wrong.

don't worry cunt - we'll come face to face one day.

you're a sensitive wee thing, aren't you?

fuck, you guys are going to run out of tissues at this rate.

you're jealous.

go back and find the fucking link for yourself.lazy cunt.

[Katman]

Nice comeback, shame for you evidence shows you are a numpty projecting hypocrite.

Wow, that's quite some fixation you've got going there.

[husaberg]

Wow, that's quite some fixation you've got going there.

You should do another one of the should katman just fuck off from KB polls....

[Katman]

You know things are getting grim when mainstream media personalities start back-peddling.

Originally Posted by Heather du Plessis-Allen

Perhaps we owe the Covid conspiracy theorists among us an apology.
Not for dismissing their wackier claims, like the vaccine containing microchips and magnetising the jabbed. But perhaps for dismissing the stuff we now know to be true.
Collectively we shut people down when they tried to convince us the... jab was unsafe. They might have taken their theories too far, but in the end, they were right to some extent.
The jab has been proven to hurt some people. ACC has accepted 1740 vaccine injury claims. There are more allegations outstanding.
They were right to be concerned about jabbing their kids. Through the Royal Commission of Inquiry into Covid-19’s report this week, we’ve learned that health officials were also concerned.
They were worried about the risk of myocarditis in under-18-year-olds from two jabs. They were worried enough that they thought it was a bad idea for the Government to demand kids that young get a second jab for permission to go to work.
Hardly any of us listened when our conspiracy theorist friends and family tried to convince us the Government knew the risks but wasn’t telling us. Turns out, in at least one instance, they were right.
In January 2022, the decision was made – despite the health risks – to force kids to get two jabs before they would be allowed to do basic work like stocking supermarket shelves.
Why the Government made that call and didn’t tell parents still isn’t completely clear.
Chris Hipkins and Ayesha Verrall – who were health ministers at the time – believe they never got the advice telling them it wasn’t safe. Which is true.
The document explicitly advising against mandating the second jab never reached them.
But that doesn’t mean they didn’t know. On another document, Verrall noted in the margins that there were safety concerns about the second jab. A few weeks later Cabinet decided to force the mandate on kids anyway.
A generous explanation is that Verrall and her Cabinet colleagues were making countless decisions every day so they couldn’t be expected to remember every concern.
A less generous take is that it’s sloppy. Mandating a jab on kids is not run-of-the-mill. It’s extreme. Everything should be checked and double-checked, every concern addressed before deciding to do something so unusual.
An even less generous take is that the safety concerns were inconvenient for a Government that had spent months hammering the message that the vaccine was safe, to shut down growing conspiracy theories.
To suddenly have to admit that it was safe for almost everyone, but not absolutely everyone, would have been a hard message to land.
Then there’s the question of why the Ministry of Health failed to make sure that recommendation landed on ministers’ desks before they made a decision potentially affecting the health of kids.
Again, too busy, getting sloppy or inconvenient?
We don’t know. We may never know. Ashley Bloomfield isn’t talking about it any more. Why would he? He’s built his reputation, locked-in his knighthood, got himself on the paid speaking circuit and landed a contract as a face for Southern Cross. Why put that at risk talking about bad things that happened in his department during his tenure?
Of course, he should front up and tell us what happened. But then so should a host of other characters who built their reputations and secured their financial futures making decisions about our lives who have subsequently cut and run to green pastures.
They’re not going to say they’re sorry to the people who freaked out about the jab enough to risk losing their jobs and being ostracised by their friends and families.
But maybe the rest of us should. If not an outright apology, at least a small acknowledgement that they weren’t completely imagining things after all.

[husaberg]

You know things are getting grim when mainstream media personalities start back-peddling.

Tell us steve, what govt mandate was she refering too?..
During the 2021-2022 COVID-19 protection framework, supermarkets were classified as essential services, this means the customers did not have to show a Vaccine Pass, to enter and buy food. However, to protect staff, major chains like Countdown (now Woolworths) introduced their own policy requiring all team members to be fully vaccinated by January 10, 2022.

To suddenly have to admit that it was safe for almost everyone, but not absolutely everyone, would have been a hard message to land.

Yet this was the advice all along ..... when did the nz Ggvt say any vaccine was ever 100% safe its only dullards like you think such things are ever possible.

This is clear as early as the foreword, in which commission chair and epidemiologist Tony Blakely, commissioner and economist John Whitehead and commissioner Grant Illingworth KC observe New Zealand’s mortality rate from Covid-19 remains well below other countries, including the United States and United Kingdom. Had New Zealand experienced the same excess mortality as Sweden, for example, we would have seen 9000 more deaths by the end of 2023 than we did.

[pete376403]

You know things are getting grim when mainstream media personalities start back-peddling.

Duplicity-Alien will always support anything that is against Jacinda & Labour

[husaberg]

Duplicity-Alien will always support anything that is against Jacinda & Labour

https://thedailyblog.co.nz/mediawatc...ionaire-owner/

Weird Katman our conspiracy hound/Clown, never sniffed out this angle, As it turns out a billionaire who have very well known specific antivaccine veiws owns the media company that that reporter works at....
Isn't it odd that Stevo has choose to ignore this .... Especially given all he has written about agendas...

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/business/...-board-at-nzme

Grenon also backed anti-vax influencer Chantelle Baker in her defamation action against NZME which was settled out of court.


Grenon registered as a promoter ahead of the 2023 general election.

Editorial firewallNews publishers like NZME have traditionally upheld a firewall between corporate management and news, and reporters are now worried Grenon could seek to use his influence to dictate coverage on issues - such as the ones that preoccupy The Centrist.

"Our top priority is preserving the impartiality of our journalism and the independence of the newsroom," said NZME's delegate to the main journalists' union E tū Isaac Davison.
"While the intentions of the potential new board members remain unclear, we are concerned about an apparent record of backing news ventures which lack transparency," said Davison in a statement on Friday.
E tū union's negotiation specialist Michael Wood told RNZ Grenon was one of a number of billionaires leveraging their wealth to amplify their worldviews.
In the US the Washington Post's billionaire owner Jeff Bezos recently declared the paper's opinion section would focus on promoting "free markets" and "personal liberties".
Elon Musk has used his company X, formerly Twitter, to amplify his views as well as censor dissenters.
"We see a pattern that has been incredibly unhealthy in other countries," Wood said, of billionaires "moving into media ownership roles to be able to promote their own particular view of the world."

[Katman]

https://www.malone.news/p/what-your-...bW15MTZieXRlcw

[husaberg]

that same Robert W. Malone has made the false claim that COVID-19 infections could be made worse by the Pfizer–BioNTech and Moderna COVID-19 vaccines. During covid Malone marketed ivermectin and hydroxychloroquine as COVID-19 treatments. Yet Malone acknowledged receiving the Moderna vaccine in a July 2021 interview, stating that he did so because he had a protracted case of COVID-19 and because he and his spouse had to travel.
Sounds a lot like our own internet Karen Katman who preaches anti vax but vaccinates his dog. You just have to admire that extreme narcissistic level of hypocrite....

That same Robert W. Malone who falsely claimed, that Moderna has admitted the mRNA vaccines cause turbo cancer, Robert Malone, who has spread COVID-19 misinformation in the past. Malone made this remarks during a Nov. 13 event held and livestreamed by Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene.

But the concerns mentioned by modena in the patent application were about vaccines using DNA as their main ingredient, not residual DNA left over in other types of vaccines. DNA vaccines rely on getting DNA into the nucleus of a cell, where it is transcribed into mRNA, which is used to make protein. The messenger RNA, or mRNA, vaccines work by introducing mRNA into the body of a cell, where it serves as instructions for making protein.


With residual DNA, scientists from the U.S. Food and Drug Administration have written that they consider the primary cancer-related concern to be the introduction of DNA encoding an activated cancer-causing gene. There is no residual DNA encoding cancer-causing genes in the mRNA COVID-19 vaccines.The patent application also makes clear that even for DNA vaccines, the concern is theoretical. What the line quoted from the patent application does not spell out is that this “potential” concern has not been demonstrated to be a real safety problem, even for DNA vaccines.

In a 2020 review paper on mRNA vaccines, FDA scientists nodded to the theoretical concerns about insertional mutagenesis from DNA vaccines, while making clear they did not consider this risk to have been borne out.

https://www.theguardian.com/technolo...st-open-letter

not to mention how he claimed to have invented RNA vaccines.

[Katman]

Excellent news.

https://dailytelegraph.co.nz/news/nz...dments-peters/