Thinking of getting vaccinated?

[TheDemonLord]

I did a Google search ... The credibility of TheDemonLord ....


No result found ...

Well, that means that I've never been Discredited....

[Ocean1]

Than get yourself vaccinated and follow your own advice i.e. keep your nose out of other peoples' business. Hypocrite.

And when I've done that I'll come take a few shots at your head with a bat, eh?

Only, my behaviour can't possibly be any of your business, can it?

[TheDemonLord]

TheDemonLard will be along presently to banish you to West Africa.

Actually, no - I'll be along to point out that this:

would be better putting more of that money in to better educating kids to abstain from sex

is bad advice - compare the rates of US states where Abstinence is the sex education of choice to those without it, then look at which States have a higher rate of Teenage Pregnancy and STD rate vs those that don't.

As an Analogy - would you suggest to a Novice Motorcyclist that they don't need to worry about Helmets, Leathers etc. if they just work on Not Crashing? Or would you suggest that Crashing is likely to happen, therefore it would be best to be prepared and properly protected?

I haven't read too much on the HPV vaccine, but I do know that the HPV virus is considered a key component in various Cancers - so it would stand to reason that a Vaccine should that stops the initial disease that causes the cancerous mutations would by proxy help protect against certain types of Cancers.

[Akzle]

In fact not only is any velocity I may achieve of little risk to you it's of little risk to anyone, least of all teh constabulary. Which don't stop them pinging me occasionally.

But, y'know Fuck teh Labour party anyway.

so you exceed the posted limit...

shits dangerous yknow. science sais so.

look at the health stat's of a century ago, when smallpox alone killed 300,000,000 to 500,000,000 people.

not sure if youv been outside recently. but theres a stack of niggers the world would be better without.

your presumption that you know better than nature is fucken hilarious.

[RDJ]

The HPV virus is considered a key component in various Cancers - so it would stand to reason that a Vaccine should that stops the initial disease that causes the cancerous mutations would by proxy help protect against certain types of Cancers.

Yes. The type of Ca that predominantly affects women.

[RDJ]

your presumption that you know better than nature is fucken hilarious.

Most people die of natural causes.

[FJRider]

No valid comparison.

Only if your rights are more important than everybody else's ...

[TheDemonLord]

Depends.

If the failure to vaccinate your child simply increases the risk to your child, (and let's face it, only very special fuckwits believe that vaccinating them constitutes an increase in risk) then outside of feeling sorry for your kid I couldn't give a fuck.

If the failure to vaccinate your kids increases the risk to him/her AND reduces the herd immunity effect that contributes to the safety of the rest of us I begin to give fucks. Particularly when, as is the case with most common viral contagions; 95% vaccination is required for that to work, and there's a valid case not to vaccinate a very few with compromised immune systems.

Begining to see a trend here?

If failure to vaccinate your kids increases the risk to not only this generation but threatens the potential to eventually make a particular contagion extinct then your mistaken belief that vaccination represents a higher risk than non-vaccination has to be balanced against not just tens of thousands at risk nationally, nor the millions at increased risk globally but increased risk for every single human yet to be born. Ever.

Which, in terms of comparable risk is effectively: Pandering to the ridiculous and demonstrably incorrect beliefs of a single parent VS pain and suffering for numbers such fuckwits are, (as demonstrated by their failure to understand the very numbers relating to risk to their kids alone) aren't intellectually equipped to comprehend.

The ridiculous part comes when you realise that in order to demonstrate the veracity of that prognosis you only have to look at the health stat's of a century ago, when smallpox alone killed 300,000,000 to 500,000,000 people.

So if the fuckwits are so sure of their facts then let 'em chose between vaccination for, say smallpox or exposure to the unmodified version itself and some form of cheap and cheerful quarantine while their choice proves harmless or otherwise. Let Darwin sort 'em out.

I agree about the data behind Vaccinations - however do you not agree that it sets an incredibly dangerous precedent for a Government to be able to usurp your right as a Parent? Assume a benevolent Government and restricted only to the cases of Vaccines, its not too bad a scenario - but the Slippery slope is what happens when the Government deems something else detrimental to the public good? A Case studio in the 'treatment' of Political dissidents in North Korea shows the eventual outcome of where the slope leads.

Possibly one could use the existing legal precedent set in the states - from memory I believe Jehovahs witnesses were forced to let their child have a Blood Transfusion in order to save the childs life, but even then - the question must be - where do you set the limits on the State's power to overrule a Parents Authority?

[Ocean1]

your presumption that you know better than nature is fucken hilarious.

No doubt when you've stopped laughing you'll be eschewing all that unnatural shit you currently own/stole, yeah?

Nature. fuck that, that shit'll kill you dead.

[Katman]

I agree about the data behind Vaccinations - however do you not agree that it sets an incredibly dangerous precedent for a Government to be able to usurp your right as a Parent? Assume a benevolent Government and restricted only to the cases of Vaccines, its not too bad a scenario - but the Slippery slope is what happens when the Government deems something else detrimental to the public good? A Case studio in the 'treatment' of Political dissidents in North Korea shows the eventual outcome of where the slope leads.

Well duurr.

[Ocean1]

Only if your rights are more important than everybody else's ...

No, just completely irrelevant.

[Akzle]

No doubt when you've stopped laughing you'll be eschewing all that unnatural shit you currently own/stole, yeah?

Nature. fuck that, that shit'll kill you dead.

yes. it will.

scared?



i dont own anything.

(excepting my children, and thats getting iffy)

[Ocean1]

I agree about the data behind Vaccinations - however do you not agree that it sets an incredibly dangerous precedent for a Government to be able to usurp your right as a Parent? Assume a benevolent Government and restricted only to the cases of Vaccines, its not too bad a scenario - but the Slippery slope is what happens when the Government deems something else detrimental to the public good? A Case studio in the 'treatment' of Political dissidents in North Korea shows the eventual outcome of where the slope leads.

Possibly one could use the existing legal precedent set in the states - from memory I believe Jehovahs witnesses were forced to let their child have a Blood Transfusion in order to save the childs life, but even then - the question must be - where do you set the limits on the State's power to overrule a Parents Authority?

Yup, scary shit.

But not as scary as leaving all that shit to the whims of fuckwits.


And if there's a point at which a majority might justify removing choice from a minority it might just be when the choices of the minority threaten the existence of the majority.

Only, if the alternative is death on that scale then who can justify the choice of the minority causing it?

Which isn't the case with the JW, they're only damaging their own. It's a different argument, and the slope begins somewhere in between.

[Ocean1]

yes. it will.

scared?



i dont own anything.

(excepting my children, and thats getting iffy)

So the unnatural shit you use is all stole?

Point is, dude, if you're "natural" world is so good why aren't you living in it?

[TheDemonLord]

Yup, scary shit.

But not as scary as leaving all that shit to the whims of fuckwits.

This is where I am not so sure - I will ferociously defend Vaccinations (and the mountains of scientific evidence to back them up) in the public domain, and others using their right to free speech are entitled to disagree with me, and for the record - I do think that people who don't like Vaccinations should have to spend several months in a Sub-Saharan African country so they can see what life is like WITHOUT immunization programs - but I am also not a big fan of Governments force an individual against their will.

And if there's a point at which a majority might justify removing choice from a minority it might just be when the choices of the minority threaten the existence of the majority.

Only, if the alternative is death on that scale then who can justify the choice of the minority causing it?

Which isn't the case with the JW, they're only damaging their own. It's a different argument, and the slope begins somewhere in between.

The problem I see here - is that the Kommandant at the Gulag/Concentration camp would say the same thing - 'Ze Political Prisoners threaten ze well being of ze people, and zerefore Ve must protect ze people'

I suspect that in the near future we will (sadly) see a mass break out of a preventable disease with a significant death toll, then we will have to ask which is the lesser of the two evils?

The individuals right to be a Fuckwit or the States Mandate to protect the People from themselves?

For what it is worth - in an Ideal world, the populace would watch a public debate with an open mind and then evaluate each argument based on its merits and then have the rational thought to choose the right option, but alas - it is not an ideal world?