Thinking of getting vaccinated?

[FJRider]

No, just completely irrelevant.

My opinion too ... your rights ARE completely irrelevant ...

[Ocean1]

This is where I am not so sure - I will ferociously defend Vaccinations (and the mountains of scientific evidence to back them up) in the public domain, and others using their right to free speech are entitled to disagree with me, and for the record - I do think that people who don't like Vaccinations should have to spend several months in a Sub-Saharan African country so they can see what life is like WITHOUT immunization programs - but I am also not a big fan of Governments force an individual against their will.




The problem I see here - is that the Kommandant at the Gulag/Concentration camp would say the same thing - 'Ze Political Prisoners threaten ze well being of ze people, and zerefore Ve must protect ze people'

I suspect that in the near future we will (sadly) see a mass break out of a preventable disease with a significant death toll, then we will have to ask which is the lesser of the two evils?

The individuals right to be a Fuckwit or the States Mandate to protect the People from themselves?

For what it is worth - in an Ideal world, the populace would watch a public debate with an open mind and then evaluate each argument based on its merits and then have the rational thought to choose the right option, but alas - it is not an ideal world?

Whoever said anyone had the right to be a fuckwit? Try that in axle's "natural world" and see how long you live.

The only problem any of the above scenarios represent is that of a failure to prove and quantify a threat.

And I'm not suggesting that governments are immune to bullshit, simply that factual threat assessment is a necessary part of any reaction to that threat.

So what you might be better asking is how to evaluate fact in a world awash with background noise from fuckwits that think they know better.

[mashman]

And when I've done that I'll come take a few shots at your head with a bat, eh?

Only, my behaviour can't possibly be any of your business, can it?

And I thought you didn't understand. Bravo.

[TheDemonLord]

Whoever said anyone had the right to be a fuckwit? Try that in axle's "natural world" and see how long you live.

Well - They do have a right to do, they are not immune from the Consequences of their Fuckwittery,

So what you might be better asking is how to evaluate fact in a world awash with background noise from fuckwits that think they know better.

And thus lies the problems - Because Politicians are not known for being immune from Fuckwittery, on the contrary - they seem to be more susceptible to it....

[bogan]

This is where I am not so sure - I will ferociously defend Vaccinations (and the mountains of scientific evidence to back them up) in the public domain, and others using their right to free speech are entitled to disagree with me, and for the record - I do think that people who don't like Vaccinations should have to spend several months in a Sub-Saharan African country so they can see what life is like WITHOUT immunization programs - but I am also not a big fan of Governments force an individual against their will.




The problem I see here - is that the Kommandant at the Gulag/Concentration camp would say the same thing - 'Ze Political Prisoners threaten ze well being of ze people, and zerefore Ve must protect ze people'

I suspect that in the near future we will (sadly) see a mass break out of a preventable disease with a significant death toll, then we will have to ask which is the lesser of the two evils?

The individuals right to be a Fuckwit or the States Mandate to protect the People from themselves?

For what it is worth - in an Ideal world, the populace would watch a public debate with an open mind and then evaluate each argument based on its merits and then have the rational thought to choose the right option, but alas - it is not an ideal world?

Both alternatives merely highlight the wasted potential in our political system. Why, in this day and age, is it so hard to ask the people about this sort of thing directly?

So then both 'sides' get to publicly educate the people, who can then make an informed decision on whether a specific immunisation should be mandatory.

Thus, the power abusers cannot concentrate power to abuse, and the morons cannot drag down the herd with irresponsible actions.

[Akzle]

So the unnatural shit you use is all stole?

Point is, dude, if you're "natural" world is so good why aren't you living in it?

so little, you know.

noone owns anything. (stop me if youve heard this before)
even, rather: especially, you.

For what it is worth - in an Ideal world, the populace would watch a public debate with an open mind and then evaluate each argument based on its merits and then have the rational thought to choose the right option, but alas - it is not an ideal world?

no. the population is stupid. >80% believe in monotheism. "right" is subjective.

[Akzle]

Both alternatives merely highlight the wasted potential in our political system. Why, in this day and age, is it so hard to ask the people about this sort of thing directly?

So then both 'sides' get to publicly educate the people, who can then make an informed decision on whether a specific immunisation should be mandatory.

Thus, the power abusers cannot concentrate power to abuse, and the morons cannot drag down the herd with irresponsible actions.

mob rule. what could possibly go wrong.

[bogan]

mob rule. what could possibly go wrong.

Democracy. Only what we deserve.

[Akzle]

Democracy. Only what we deserve.

been working for decades.



//wait. What?

[bogan]

been working for decades.



//wait. What?

Could be better though. No doubt many would say it should be abandoned in favor of doing it 'their' way thoughfucking muppets

[Akzle]

Could be better though. No doubt many would say it should be abandoned in favor of doing it 'their' way thoughfucking muppets

yeeeeeeahhhh.
I just stop at "it should be abandoned"

[bogan]

yeeeeeeahhhh.
I just stop at "it should be abandoned"

Well aren't you just a rambunctious wee rebel.

[Akzle]

Well aren't you just a rambunctious wee rebel.

yes .

[Oakie]

And thus lies the problems - Because Politicians are not known for being immune from Fuckwittery, on the contrary - they seem to be more susceptible to it....

Perhaps they could be vaccinated for Fuckwittery? Oh, hang on ... isn't this were we came in? Circular argument.

Oakie stumbles away singing "This is the thread that never ends, yes it goes on and on my friend. Some people started writing it not knowing what it was, and they'll continue writing it forever just because this is the thread that never ends, yes it goes on and on my friend" .... (ad infinitum)

http://www.zutroy.com/stuff/neverend/index.htm

[mashman]