Thinking of getting vaccinated?

[Banditbandit]

Autism is a different hard wiring in the brain from non-autistic people - tell me - how does a vaccine affect hard wiring in the brain ???

[mashman]

Autism is a different hard wiring in the brain from non-autistic people - tell me - how does a vaccine affect hard wiring in the brain ???

Chemicals and the brain don't always play well together. Not sure what's hard wired about the brain.

[Katman]

Chemicals and the brain don't always play well together. Not sure what's hard wired about the brain.

I certainly wouldn't consider brain synapses 'hard wiring'.

[eldog]

Chemicals and the brain don't always play well together. Not sure what's hard wired about the brain.

The mother of a child I know reckons it was chemical spraying that 'caused' her child's autism.
She reckons the child was OK till spraying started on the farm next door.

I guess the child has a 'average' level of autism, it's bloody hard to live with. I always wonder what's gonna happen when he doesn't have the support of his parents?

He has almost no conscience, no idea about responbility, no feelings (he often knows he does wrong but I think it's only because he expects/anticipates being told off)

Myself I suspect it also has something to do with what the mother was experiencing during the pregnancy.

Hell I am no expert on the matter, it's just my observations.

[Virago]

Children are routinely vaccinated. Children are regularly diagnosed with autism. The law of averages dictates that the two will very occasionally coincide. An erroneous link of causality creates hysteria which is fed further by the distortion and misrepresentation of statistics.

I read an "interesting" article recently (the web address truthkings.com gave some indication as to what was to come). The article detailed studies of 'flu vaccine given to elderly (>65) people. The first study detailed the vaccine given to 2,573 recipients, and advised that within six months 23 (less than 1%) of them had died. The inference was that it was the vaccine that killed them. Well shock and horror, elderly people couldn't have died otherwise could they? The second study was even sillier, out of 31,983 recipients, 167 (0.5%) had died with 6 to 8 months. Imagine that, old people dying. Sadly, people lap this nonsense up and regurgitate it endlessly - it's the "proof" they're looking for.

The manipulative suggestion that correlation equals causality feeds the minds of those desperate to believe in the vaccine conspiracy.

[eldog]

Children are routinely vaccinated. Children are regularly diagnosed with autism. The law of averages dictates that the two will very occasionally coincide. An erroneous link of causality creates hysteria which is fed further by the distortion and misrepresentation of statistics.

I read an "interesting" article recently (the web address truthkings.com gave some indication as to what was to come). The article detailed studies of 'flu vaccine given to elderly (>65) people. The first study detailed the vaccine given to 2,573 recipients, and advised that within six months 23 (less than 1%) of them had died. The inference was that it was the vaccine that killed them. Well shock and horror, elderly people couldn't have died otherwise could they? The second study was even sillier, out of 31,983 recipients, 167 (0.5%) had died with 6 to 8 months. Imagine that, old people dying. Sadly, people lap this nonsense up and regurgitate it endlessly - it's the "proof" they're looking for.

The manipulative suggestion that correlation equals causality feeds the minds of those desperate to believe in the vaccine conspiracy.

The same mother had her kids teething between 2 months and 2 years..... Even time they were sick, one look around the pig sty they lived in... I don't even go there now.

Where as my niece had an major allergy to eggs and bananas so missed some vaccines, based on those.
now she doesn't seem to have those allergies, don't know if she should have those earlier vaccines. Not for me to get involved, just wondering for my piece of mind.

[mashman]

The mother of a child I know reckons it was chemical spraying that 'caused' her child's autism.
She reckons the child was OK till spraying started on the farm next door.

I guess the child has a 'average' level of autism, it's bloody hard to live with. I always wonder what's gonna happen when he doesn't have the support of his parents?

He has almost no conscience, no idea about responbility, no feelings (he often knows he does wrong but I think it's only because he expects/anticipates being told off)

Myself I suspect it also has something to do with what the mother was experiencing during the pregnancy.

Hell I am no expert on the matter, it's just my observations.

If science can't prove it, then it's coincidence. Some stuff brings out nasty reactions in some people. Anecdotal evidence and occams razor are summarily ignored (ironically, but also tragically), coz experts and therefore coincidence and denial and lack of responsibility etc... I met a lady a few months ago who spoke of the loss of her child in the 90's after crop dusting ran into the water they caught off the roof. A nasty tale from start to finish. Who knows how it happens eh.

[mashman]

Your choice, for sure, but I would rather believe the qualified medics and scientists over conspiracy theorists.

Yeah, but what about when they admit that they've lied, cheated and misled the public and start coming forwards to state so? That would mean, oh noes, that it's not conspiracy at all, but that we have all indeed been lied to by qualified medics and scientists. Money eh. Fucks everything up.

[TheDemonLord]

Yeah, but what about when they admit that they've lied, cheated and misled the public and start coming forwards to state so? That would mean, oh noes, that it's not conspiracy at all, but that we have all indeed been lied to by qualified medics and scientists. Money eh. Fucks everything up.

Funny that the article mentions nothing about Autism aye.

[Katman]

Funny that the article mentions nothing about Autism aye.

Then you didn't read the article very well.

[TheDemonLord]

Then you didn't read the article very well.

Let me clarify - the court case that the article is referencing and is about doesn't mention Autism.

The word autism is only used in reference to a film and some conjecture.

[Katman]

Let me clarify - the court case that the article is referencing and is about doesn't mention Autism.

“According to the whistleblowers’ court documents, Merck’s misconduct was far-ranging: It ‘failed to disclose that its mumps vaccine was not as effective as Merck represented, (ii) used improper testing techniques, (iii) manipulated testing methodology, (iv) abandoned undesirable test results, (v) falsified test data, (vi) failed to adequately investigate and report the diminished efficacy of its mumps vaccine, (vii) falsely verified that each manufacturing lot of mumps vaccine would be as effective as identified in the labeling, (viii) falsely certified the accuracy of applications filed with the FDA, (ix) falsely certified compliance with the terms of the CDC purchase [of the MMR vaccine] contract, (x) engaged in the fraud and concealment described herein for the purpose of illegally monopolizing the U.S. market for mumps vaccine, (xi) mislabeled, misbranded, and falsely certified its mumps vaccine, and (xii) engaged in the other acts described herein to conceal the diminished efficacy of the vaccine the government was purchasing.’”

If you seriously think there is nothing to do with a possible connection to Autism within those charges listed then you're deluding yourself.

[TheDemonLord]

“According to the whistleblowers’ court documents, Merck’s misconduct was far-ranging: It ‘failed to disclose that its mumps vaccine was not as effective as Merck represented, (ii) used improper testing techniques, (iii) manipulated testing methodology, (iv) abandoned undesirable test results, (v) falsified test data, (vi) failed to adequately investigate and report the diminished efficacy of its mumps vaccine, (vii) falsely verified that each manufacturing lot of mumps vaccine would be as effective as identified in the labeling, (viii) falsely certified the accuracy of applications filed with the FDA, (ix) falsely certified compliance with the terms of the CDC purchase [of the MMR vaccine] contract, (x) engaged in the fraud and concealment described herein for the purpose of illegally monopolizing the U.S. market for mumps vaccine, (xi) mislabeled, misbranded, and falsely certified its mumps vaccine, and (xii) engaged in the other acts described herein to conceal the diminished efficacy of the vaccine the government was purchasing.’”

If you seriously think there is nothing to do with a possible connection to Autism within those charges listed then you're deluding yourself.

The thing is, that Court documents have to be very precise (because Lawyers love to nit pick, love vaguaries and loop holes) - can you point out in that extract where Autism is mentioned?

Because I can't

I can see where they have made a case that it isn't as effective as claimed, but I can't see anything mentioning Autism.

Nice Try at a Strawman and guilty by association.

[mashman]

Funny that the article mentions nothing about Autism aye.

Neither did I.

Nice Try at a Strawman and guilty by association.

Makes you hypocritical dickhead dunnit.

[Katman]

The thing is, that Court documents have to be very precise (because Lawyers love to nit pick, love vaguaries and loop holes) - can you point out in that extract where Autism is mentioned?

Quite possibly contained within (iv) or (v).