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    Quote Originally Posted by Brett View Post
    Wow...there is so much misinformation here...where on earth to start. How about with this...the bloke responsible for the autism test in particular, had his medical council membership revoked due to the study being so incredibly incorrect. There is so much agenda being pushed against vaccines with little to NO legitimate support other than 'Hippy' mothers and 'child experts' who claim it bad. There is the extremely odd case where children have an ANAPHYLACTIC reaction to a drug/vaccine and any responsible medical professional will explain this, but this "vaccines cause autism" thing has so little water to it that it really is bizarre it gets the attention it does. For pity sake, I know A LOT of doctors, GP's in particular given that I am married to one, and I can say with the absolute and utmost certainty that if there existed any shred of evidence to support these claims, ALL...ALL of the GP's I know would take it extremely seriously.

    Honestly, this is akin to the rumor that dolphins pack rape humans... (don't believe me....? http://au.businessinsider.com/dolphi...ngerous-2013-5 I swear, I know people who actually believe this as well.)
    So many different autisms.....
    Recent research suggests mothers autoimmune issues [during pregnancy] may account for 25% of autisms...
    So many different vaccine injuries....
    BTW Andrew Wakefield has been vindicated [just recently] if you are up to speed with vaccine news
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    Quote Originally Posted by scissorhands View Post
    BTW Andrew Wakefield has been vindicated ...
    Is that like being vaccinated?
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    many good doctors have been struck off for speaking the truth....Gwen Olsen was a sales rep for pharma, she now speaks out against drug companies....

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    Quote Originally Posted by scissorhands View Post
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    BTW Andrew Wakefield has been vindicated [just recently] if you are up to speed with vaccine news
    So has Hitler.
    Several times, old crusty German men have come out to proclaim 'there was no Holocaust'.

    And with a similar level of believability.
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    In a court of law, sheeple brain

    http://www.ageofautism.com/2012/03/e...uilty-now.html

    MMR Doctor Exonerated—Who’s Guilty Now?

    The parent autism community is buzzing with excitement over a ruling by a British judge clearing Dr. Andrew Wakefield’s colleague and co-author of all charges against him that arose from a study of the relationship between gut disease, autism, and the MMR vaccine.......


    http://www.prweb.com/releases/2012/3/prweb9262180.htm

    Dr. Andrew Wakefield’s Co-Author on Controversial Lancet “MMR Paper” Exonerated of All Charges of Professional Misconduct
    Prof. John Walker-Smith won his appeal today against the GMC, the UK’s medical regulatory board that had ruled against both him and Andrew Wakefield for their roles in the 1998 Lancet MMR paper, which raised questions about a link to autism. The complete victory means that Walker-Smith has been returned to the status of a fully licensed physician in the UK......
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    oh that's pretty weak to say the least. A ruling in a court of law doesn't mean that there is a right or a wrong. It means that the legal proceedings favoured one direction in the manner they were argued or interpreted.

    The scientific method was designed to remove bull & hyperbole from 'Scientific studies'. But when it is breached the so called studies are not worth more than a marketing brochure.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scissorhands View Post
    In a court of law, sheeple brain

    http://www.ageofautism.com/2012/03/e...uilty-now.html

    MMR Doctor Exonerated—Who’s Guilty Now?

    The parent autism community is buzzing with excitement over a ruling by a British judge clearing Dr. Andrew Wakefield’s colleague and co-author of all charges against him that arose from a study of the relationship between gut disease, autism, and the MMR vaccine.......


    http://www.prweb.com/releases/2012/3/prweb9262180.htm

    Dr. Andrew Wakefield’s Co-Author on Controversial Lancet “MMR Paper” Exonerated of All Charges of Professional Misconduct
    Prof. John Walker-Smith won his appeal today against the GMC, the UK’s medical regulatory board that had ruled against both him and Andrew Wakefield for their roles in the 1998 Lancet MMR paper, which raised questions about a link to autism. The complete victory means that Walker-Smith has been returned to the status of a fully licensed physician in the UK......
    Not quite.
    The court hasn't ruled that the research and conclusion was right.
    They've ruled that Walker-Smith's main role was in the treatment of the children in the study - not in the study itself, otherwise the General Medical Council would have been right to strike him off.
    As I read it, the court has said the GMC did not prove that Walker-Smith was responsible for the research and conclusions so he was undeserving of the punishment.

    Walker-Smith's clinical role focused on treatment related to sick children, while his academic work included collaborating in research with Wakefield.

    "It had to decide what Professor Walker-Smith thought he was doing: if he believed he was undertaking research in the guise of clinical investigation and treatment, he deserved the finding that he had been guilty of serious professional misconduct and the sanction of erasure.

    "If not, he did not, unless, perhaps, his actions fell outside the spectrum of that which would have been considered reasonable medical practice by an academic clinician.

    "Its failure to address and decide that question is an error which goes to the root of its determination. The panel's decision cannot stand. I therefore quash it."
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/20...-doctor-appeal
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    Quote Originally Posted by scissorhands View Post
    MMR Doctor Exonerated..
    ... of medical malpractice.

    In other words Walker-Smith, (not Wakefield himself) has been cleared of injuring his patients.

    No mention whatsoever of the veracity or accuracy of their research, which a decade and a half later seems not to have been reproduced.
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    and Monsanto are really just misunderstood good guys too. Those very few people who keep blowing their whistle have got it all wrong.

    Believe what you want but keep an open mind to the possibility that the good guys maybe aren't good at all. After all it ain't hardly like big business, industry, police, scientists, etc don't lie... often. Nah! Can't be. They are the good guys, everyone else are just schmucks.

    All truth passes through three stages.
    First, it is ridiculed.
    Second, it is violently opposed.
    Third, it is accepted as being self-evident.



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    BTW. As I have stated before. I ain't saying don't get a vaccination. I am saying make bloody sure you need it if you are going to take a risk, make sure there is a real equal or greater risk to you if you don't take a vaccine.


    If you can't see the logic in that then frankly you are an idiot.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ocean1 View Post
    ... of medical malpractice.

    In other words Walker-Smith, (not Wakefield himself) has been cleared of injuring his patients.

    No mention whatsoever of the veracity or accuracy of their research, which a decade and a half later seems not to have been reproduced.
    do you think that it might just be ever so slightly possible that Wakefield might be victim of a campaign to discredit him? Nah! Couldn't be. What would be the motive? and it ain't like that sort of thing has happened before... frequently.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ocean1 View Post
    The only virus that's jumped species in modern history is Ebola, there isn't any form of immunity, natural or otherwise that has a chance of working there, you kill the fucker dead. If another one turns up then you kill that too.
    Quote Originally Posted by scissorhands View Post
    Rabies in Australia jumps from bats to peeps and horses...
    I missed this.

    Yes many virus have multiple species in their vector, and we have some immunological reactions to some of them, depending on race. What I meant is that humans had never been a part of Ebola's vector... until all of a sudden there's a minor mutation and we were. Zero immune response. 80-95% fatality rate.

    Your "natural" immunity is good for a few percent of us, the first time around. The next minor mutation: who knows?. You can stick your "natural immunity, I want that fucker dead. Dead and gone.
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    Quote Originally Posted by flyingcrocodile46 View Post
    do you think that it might just be ever so slightly possible that Wakefield might be victim of a campaign to discredit him? Nah! Couldn't be. What would be the motive? and it ain't like that sort of thing has happened before... frequently.
    The motivation might be that he's wrong and endangering the lives of untold numbers of people.
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    Quote Originally Posted by flyingcrocodile46 View Post
    BTW. As I have stated before. I ain't saying don't get a vaccination. I am saying make bloody sure you need it if you are going to take a risk, make sure there is a real equal or greater risk to you if you don't take a vaccine.


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    That I do agree with.

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    Quote Originally Posted by flyingcrocodile46 View Post
    do you think that it might just be ever so slightly possible that Wakefield might be victim of a campaign to discredit him? Nah! Couldn't be. What would be the motive? and it ain't like that sort of thing has happened before... frequently.
    No idea. The fact that his research hasn't been replicated speaks far louder than any paranoid musings you can find on t'interwebs. You can find proof of absolutely anything on teh webs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by flyingcrocodile46 View Post
    and Monsanto are really just misunderstood good guys too. Those very few people who keep blowing their whistle have got it all wrong.

    Believe what you want but keep an open mind to the possibility that the good guys maybe aren't good at all. After all it ain't hardly like big business, industry, police, scientists, etc don't lie... often. Nah! Can't be. They are the good guys, everyone else are just schmucks.



    BTW. As I have stated before. I ain't saying don't get a vaccination. I am saying make bloody sure you need it if you are going to take a risk, make sure there is a real equal or greater risk to you if you don't take a vaccine.


    If you can't see the logic in that then frankly you are an idiot.
    Personally I'd rather accept the concensus opinion of the trained professionals.
    Those guys really know a lot about medicine ya know!
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