Thinking of getting vaccinated?

[Woodman]

The one that gives a fuck. Pretty simple really.

Oh ok, now I know.

[mashman]

Oh ok, now I know.

Which one?

[Woodman]

Which one?

You weren't supposed to ask that..

[mashman]

You weren't supposed to ask that..

I'm not supposed to ask a lot of things

[TheDemonLord]

Seriously!

With respect, your attitude appears to be part of the problem rather than the solution - are you so obsessed with your Katman thing that you no longer be objective?

Interesting question - there are a couple of things to address:

Firstly is the pattern of Behavior - when discussing a point, there will be some back and forth until typically, I paint Katman into a corner that he can't defend - At which he'll probably do one or all of the following:

1: Call me Autistic
2: Go on a Red Rep spree
3: Tell someone to go suck someones Cock
4: some time later, post an hour (or 2 or 3) long video as if it is a rebuttal to the point(s) I have made

Now - for the sake of argument, lets assume that the video DOES address one or several of the points I have made - There would be no need for behaviors 1-3, secondly there wouldn't be the blind posting of the video - a little text along the lines of 'regarding point xyz, this video discusses it from about 8 minutes in' - This never happens - I'll elaborate why later. Now on this point you could call me Prejudiced, however this is a pattern of behavior that I see repeated time and time again - to the point where I can usually predict when it will occur. There is an Old Fable about the Boy who cried wolf - If you change it to the Katman who posts overly long Youtube videos, the message of the fable is the same.

Secondly (and this will tie in to parts later) is why do I need to watch an entire 3 hour video? - If there is factual content, then we can watch that, determine its validity and then argue on its merits. The only reason that I would be required to watch the entire video would be if it was telling a story - where by the skipping of the beginning would mean the middle lost meaning etc. If it is telling a Story, then the phrases 'Propaganda', 'Preaching to the Choir' and 'Sermon' would be an apt description - which I am not interested in - if there is hard data to be discussed, then we can discuss that on its own. As a further consideration to this point - has it ever occurred that should one of these videos have decent factual content that you could point me to, and I watch that, back check it and find it valid, then that would significantly influence my decision whether to watch the entire video?

Thirdly - this is a piss poor arguing technique (proof by Intimidation) - if the only way you can defend your ideas is by parroting other peoples work, then what makes you better than the so-called sheeple that you deride?

There are a million and one anti-conspiracy videos on Youtube, probably one for every conspiracy video - and if I wanted to, I could simply post them up. And yet I don't. I look at the data presented, argue as best I can on that, when required - go out and find additional data to support my claims. Sometimes that will include a video - but I try to make them short, or at least copy the URL at the relevant timestamp for brevity. There are times (such as Bazant's forumla and calculation of particulate sizes) where I must defer, but on these occassions, no credible counterpoint is made.

Lastly - and this is perhaps the most Katman Specific:

Assume he has watched the Video in full, then he should be able to summerize the key points made in the video, and if he's feeling adventurous, why these are counters to whatever point(s) I am making.
Assume that he's not only watched the video, but has understood it's content and processed it, he should be able to relay that content, and then if need be, point to the relevant parts of the Video.

This is why I challenge him to Summarize - to show that he has both watched it AND understood it. Numerous times he posts, claiming the video as a good source of information, but how can one tell if it is actually a good source of information if one has not fully understood it?

If he has done neither, then he won't be able to - and his refusal suggests that this is the case - I suspect he has watched the video and goes 'yup this agrees with me' and then turns off his critical faculties (if they exist at all) - in effect, the video is preaching to the faithful. This is also why I suspect that he is unable to relay the content, because his brain was semi-off for the video.

And so it's a net win for me - I don't think he fully understands it, I prove my point that he is just parroting someone nonsense, and my time goes un-wasted.

If you say my attitude is part of the problem - then good. Calling out BS ideas and exposing them for the repeated BS that they are is a great thing. If you want to talk about Solutions, then perhaps being prepared to argue a point based on facts and not propaganda might be a start.

[TheDemonLord]

Oh ok, now I know.

Well, I know I don't give much of a Fuck - although I suppose the community service I provide to make sure that BS doesn't go unchallenged could be interpreted as giving a fuck.

I just enjoy the Argument. Sometimes they even come up with semi-credible sounding points that requires investigation and effort to disprove, but that is rare. For the most part, I just enjoy showing that when you strip away all the layers, all Zealots look and sound the same - that there is a big evil (Satan, Pharma, US Government, NWO, Money etc.) and that they have the sacred knowledge to protect against it etc. etc. It's even funnier when they mock the other religious people on the site, and then in the next post, they follow the same playbook.

[Akzle]

I'm not supposed to ask a lot of things

why ?

[oldrider]

Interesting question - there are a couple of things to address:

Well I asked you the question and received a comprehensive reply as to how you see things from your perspective - fair enough - your perspective is your reality!

[Woodman]

Well, I know I don't give much of a Fuck - although I suppose the community service I provide to make sure that BS doesn't go unchallenged could be interpreted as giving a fuck.

I just enjoy the Argument. Sometimes they even come up with semi-credible sounding points that requires investigation and effort to disprove, but that is rare. For the most part, I just enjoy showing that when you strip away all the layers, all Zealots look and sound the same - that there is a big evil (Satan, Pharma, US Government, NWO, Money etc.) and that they have the sacred knowledge to protect against it etc. etc. It's even funnier when they mock the other religious people on the site, and then in the next post, they follow the same playbook.

Yup, same here. Couldn't give a fat rats about the topic. Its the irony that amuses me.

[Katman]

I just enjoy the Argument.

Bingo.

You're not here to further your knowledge of any particular issue - you're simply here to argue.

Sort of like an autistic child.

Now fuck off and watch the video.

[Woodman]

Bingo.

You're not here to further your knowledge of any particular issue - you're simply here to argue.

Sort of like an autistic child.

Pretty sure he intimated that he was quite happy to further his knowledge. Would be a lot easier if you weren't such a princess though.

[TheDemonLord]

Bingo.

You're not here to further your knowledge of any particular issue - you're simply here to argue.

Sort of like an autistic child.

Now fuck off and watch the video.

Do we Further our knowledge by agreeing with each other in an Echo Chamber or do we further our knowledge by arguing ideas and discarding the ones that don't stand up to scrutiny?

I may simply enjoy the argument - but that does not mean that I am not furthering mine or anyone elses knowledge as a secondary result.

[Katman]

Do we Further our knowledge by agreeing with each other in an Echo Chamber or do we further our knowledge by arguing ideas and discarding the ones that don't stand up to scrutiny?

I may simply enjoy the argument - but that does not mean that I am not furthering mine or anyone elses knowledge as a secondary result.

Fine. Watch the video and let's argue about it.

[TheDemonLord]

Well I asked you the question and received a comprehensive reply as to how you see things from your perspective - fair enough - your perspective is your reality!

I know right - my reality is pretty awesome.

[mashman]

why ?

Ha.

Yup, same here. Couldn't give a fat rats about the topic. Its the irony that amuses me.

What? Millions of kids potentially being mentally impaired by a vaccine? Sounds a little psychotic.