Thinking of getting vaccinated?

[bogan]

So you agree that certain ingredients in vaccines have a significant possibility of contributing to neurological damage?

No, and that paper you posted finds no such thing either.

[Katman]

No, and that paper you posted finds no such thing either.

How the fuck would you know?

You've not read it.

[bogan]

How the fuck would you know?

You've not read it.

My first post regarding it contained a direct quote from it. Figured you might have noticed that, but then, perhaps (like the previous one as well) it is you who has not read it...

[Katman]

My first post regarding it contained a direct quote from it. Figured you might have noticed that, but then, perhaps (like the previous one as well) it is you who has not read it...

Did you really just skip to the very last sentence in the study?

If not, you should have noticed this bit too....

"Also detailed are several mechanisms whereby significant quantities of aluminium introduced via immunisation could produce chronic neuropathology in genetically susceptible children."

Now I'm quite prepared to admit that I don't understand half the words in that study, but of the half that I do understand, it quite clearly shows that they give explanations of a possible connection between aluminium exposure and ASD.

[bogan]

Did you really just skip to the very last sentence in the study?

If not, you should have noticed this bit too....

"Also detailed are several mechanisms whereby significant quantities of aluminium introduced via immunisation could produce chronic neuropathology in genetically susceptible children."

Now I'm quite prepared to admit that I don't understand half the words in that study, but of the half that I do understand, it quite clearly shows that they give explanations of a possible connection between aluminium exposure and ASD.

What makes you think I skipped the rest? the conclusions are the most conclusive part, and the since a lot of conclusions were not to do with vaccination I quoted the most relevant one.

The bit you quoted has no less than 3 conditional qualifiers whose possibility has not been substantiated, so the conclusion you drew of it representing a 'significant possibility' is erroneous.

Speaking of words "possible connection between aluminium exposure and ASD" and "certain ingredients in vaccines have a significant possibility of contributing to neurological damage" mean very different things.

[Katman]

What makes you think I skipped the rest? the conclusions are the most conclusive part, and the since a lot of conclusions were not to do with vaccination I quoted the most relevant one.

The bit you quoted has no less than 3 conditional qualifiers whose possibility has not been substantiated, so the conclusion you drew of it representing a 'significant possibility' is erroneous.

Speaking of words "possible connection between aluminium exposure and ASD" and "certain ingredients in vaccines have a significant possibility of contributing to neurological damage" mean very different things.

Did you see the bit where they cited a study that showed higher levels of aluminium in the hair and urine of children with ASD than the control group?

[bogan]

Did you see the bit where they cited a study that showed higher levels of aluminium in the hair and urine of children with ASD than the control group?

See post #3668.

[Katman]

See post #3668.

Do you know the difference between mercury and aluminium?

[bogan]

Do you know the difference between mercury and aluminium?

Do you know the difference between correlation and causation? In both mercury and aluminium cases "There's a clear difficulty in establishing causality though, I mean, it's possible that children's behaviors increased their exposure, rather than the other way around." Have a nap or something dude, you've gone extra far off the deep end this weekend.

[Katman]

Do you know the difference between correlation and causation? In both mercury and aluminium cases "There's a clear difficulty in establishing causality though, I mean, it's possible that children's behaviors increased their exposure, rather than the other way around." Have a nap or something dude, you've gone extra far off the deep end this weekend.

It's equally possible that their exposure to aluminium or mercury has influenced their physiological or neurological condition.

The fact that you're so cock-sure of yourself when actual scientists are suggesting otherwise is fucking hilarious.

[bogan]

It's equally possible that their exposure to aluminium or mercury has influenced their physiological or neurological condition.

The fact that you're so cock-sure of yourself when actual scientists are suggesting otherwise is fucking hilarious.

Equally possible? I think you mean also possible. It's this constant and slight changing of words here and there which gets the unscientific anti-vaccers and conspiracy theorists et al from true statements like "possible connection between aluminium exposure and ASD" to falsehoods "like certain ingredients in vaccines have a significant possibility of contributing to neurological damage". At this point I'm not sure if you either know the difference, or know that you are doing it; the search for validation of your belief simply over-rides any ability you might have to understand the articles at hand.

Cock sure of what exactly? That there is no proven, causal link between mercury or aluiminium in vaccines and ASD? Scientists are in complete agreement with that, that you think either of those things are untrue is fucking sad.

[Katman]

Cock sure of what exactly? That there is no proven, causal link between mercury or aluiminium in vaccines and ASD? Scientists are in complete agreement with that, that you think either of those things are untrue is fucking sad.

And the fact that you seem to consider yourself qualified to speak on behalf of all scientists is even more fucking hilarious.

[Ocean1]

And the fact that you seem to consider yourself qualified to speak on behalf of all scientists is even more fucking hilarious.

Whereas you're qualifications to speak for conspiracy fuckwits worldwide is simply unparalleled.

[bogan]

And the fact that you seem to consider yourself qualified to speak on behalf of all scientists is even more fucking hilarious.

They've repeatedly spoken for themselves, I simply quote them and understand what their conclusions actually mean. Take the last two articles you've posted for example, neither disagrees with the scientific consensus I just illustrated.

"We found no evidence of simple associations between blood Hg exposure and neurodevelopmental/psychological impairments"

[Katman]

They've repeatedly spoken for themselves, I simply quote them and understand what their conclusions actually mean.

Really?

All of them?