Thinking of getting vaccinated?

[Akzle]

Who would you accept as sufficiently non-industry?
Doctors?
Scientists?
Researchers?
Academics?

Maybe you mean that you'd prefer the likes of;
Playboy bunnies?
Afternoon TV talk-show hosts?
Comedic actors?
Politicians?

i dont think you understand the question.

[idb]

i dont think you understand the question.

Entirely possible.

[Ocean1]

i dont think you understand the question.

You're confused, he was the one doing the asking.

[bogan]

Who would you accept as sufficiently non-industry?
Doctors?
Scientists?
Researchers?
Academics?

Maybe you mean that you'd prefer the likes of;
Playboy bunnies?
Afternoon TV talk-show hosts?
Comedic actors?
Politicians?

To people like him, any pro industry conclusion is insufficiently non-industry. Most antivaccers share the same 'logic' I've noticed.

[mashman]

Who would you accept as sufficiently non-industry?
Doctors?
Scientists?
Researchers?
Academics?

Maybe you mean that you'd prefer the likes of;
Playboy bunnies?
Afternoon TV talk-show hosts?
Comedic actors?
Politicians?

Those who put people first and then service their own agenda.

The likes of people who are pro-people... and Playboy bunnies. Especially funny ones.

[mashman]

To people like him, any pro industry conclusion is insufficiently non-industry. Most antivaccers share the same 'logic' I've noticed.

Am I an anti-vaccer? Such arsumption makes you silly vagina.

[bogan]

Am I an anti-vaccer? Such arsumption makes you silly vagina.

No such assumption was made in that post, but by your reply above I see the assumption I did make panned out

[mashman]

No such assumption was made in that post, but by your reply above I see the assumption I did make panned out

Like I said, silly vagina.

[flyingcrocodile46]

Read and follow links or watch the video for the 3 minute version.

This is why people with more than half a brain continue to question the wisdom of blindly following Pharma industry/ CDC/ Govt dictates as to medical treatment and in particular vaccines. Because it is simple idiocy. Be aware of the risks before you accept their advice.

https://youtu.be/4absF7ykstc


Contaminated haemophilia blood products were a serious public health problem in the late 1970s through 1985. These products caused large numbers of haemophiliacs to become infected with HIV and hepatitis C. The companies involved included Alpha Therapeutic Corporation, Institut Mérieux (which then became Rhone-Poulenc Rorer Inc., and is now part of Sanofi), Bayer Corporation and its Cutter Biological division, Baxter International and its Hyland Pharmaceutical division.[1] Estimates range from 6,000 to 10,000 haemophiliacs in the United States becoming infected with HIV.[1][2]
Factor VIII is a protein that helps the clotting of blood, which haemophiliacs, due to the genetic nature of their condition, are unable to produce themselves. By injecting themselves with it, hemophiliacs can stop bleeding or prevent bleeding from starting; some use it as often as three times a week.[3]
In 1981 concern was growing over an unidentified infectious disease associated with immune system collapse that would later become known as AIDS. In the U.S. it was found mostly in homosexual men and intravenous drug users, while in France doctors were finding it in a more diverse group of patients.[4] On July 16, 1982, the United States Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) reported that three haemophiliacs had acquired the disease.[3] Epidemiologists started to believe that the disease was being spread through blood products, with grave implications for haemophiliacs who had routinely injected themselves with concentrate made from large pools of donated plasma, much of which was collected commercially by plasmapheresis in cities that had many homosexuals, IV drug users and former prisoners, as well as inside many prisons.[3] Without an accurate infection test, health officials had no way to determine how many plasma donors carried it.
In January 1983, the manager of plasma procurement for Bayer's Cutter Biological division acknowledged in a letter that "There is strong evidence to suggest that AIDS is passed on to other people through ... plasma products."[3] In March 1983, the CDC warned that blood products "appear responsible for AIDS among haemophilia patients."[3] By May 1983, a Cutter rival began making a heat-treated concentrate and France decided to halt all clotting concentrate imports.[3]
Cutter feared losing customers, so according to an internal memo, Cutter "want[ed] to give the impression that [they were] continuously improving our product without telling them [they expected] soon to also have a heat-treated" concentrate.[3] The process rendered the virus "undetectable" in the product, according to a government study.[3]
By June 1983, a Cutter letter to distributors in France and 20 other countries said that "AIDS has become the center of irrational response in many countries" and that "This is of particular concern to us because of unsubstantiated speculations that this syndrome may be transmitted by certain blood products."[3] France continued using older style, untreated concentrate through until August, 1983.[3]
Sales to Asia and Latin America
On February 29, 1984, Cutter became the last of the four major blood product companies to get US approval to sell heated concentrate.[3] Even after Cutter began selling the new product, for several months, until August 1984, the company continued making the old medicine.[3] One reason was that the company had several fixed-price contracts and believed that the old product would be cheaper to produce.[3]
Bayer officials (responding on behalf of Cutter) issued a statement, stating that Cutter continued to sell the old medicine, "because some customers doubted the new drug's effectiveness", and because some countries were slow to approve its sale. The company also said that a shortage of plasma, used to make the medicine, had kept Cutter from manufacturing more of the new product."[3] Bayer officials also claimed that an overall plasma shortage in 1985 kept Cutter from making more heat treated medicine; however, because Cutter was using some of its limited plasma to continue making the old product, they may have contributed to the shortage.[3] While Bayer said that "procedural requirements" imposed by Taiwan slowed down their ability to sell the new product, according to The New York Times, Hsu Chien-wen, an official at Taiwan's health department, said in 2003 that Cutter had not applied for permission to sell the heated medicine until July 1985, a year and a half after doing so in the United States.[3] Cindy Lai, assistant director of Hong Kong's health department, said that Cutter needed only to get an import license in the 1980s to sell the newer product in which "It normally [takes] one week."[3]
While the new product was selling well for Cutter, a Cutter company meeting notes that "There is excess nonheated inventory", which resulted in the company deciding to "review international markets again to determine if more of this product can be sold."[3] Cutter decided to sell millions of dollars of the older medicine to Asia and Latin America while selling the new, safer product in the West, to avoid being stuck with large stores of a product that was proving increasingly unmarketable.[3]
In late 1984, when a Hong Kong distributor asked Cutter about the newer product, records show that Cutter asked the distributor to "use up stocks" of the old medicine before switching to its "safer, better" product.[3] Several months later, once haemophiliacs in Hong Kong began testing positive for HIV, some local doctors began to question whether Cutter was dumping "AIDS tainted" medicine into less-developed countries.[3] Cutter denied the allegation, claiming that the unheated product posed "no severe hazard" and was in fact the "same fine product we have supplied for years."[3] By May 1985, when the Hong Kong distributor told of an impending medical emergency, asking for the newer product, Cutter replied that most of the new medicine was going to the US and Europe and there wasn't enough for Hong Kong, except for a small amount for the "most vocal patients."[3]
The United States Food and Drug Administration helped to keep the news out of the public eye. In May 1985, the FDA's regulator of blood products, Harry M. Meyer Jr., believing the companies had broken a voluntary agreement to withdraw the old medicine from the market, called together officials of the companies and ordered them to comply.[3] Cutter's notes from the meeting indicate that Meyer asked that the issue be "quietly solved without alerting the Congress, the medical community and the public" while another company noted that the FDA wanted the matter solved "quickly and quietly."[3]
At the same time, a Cutter official wrote that "It appears there are no longer any markets in the Far East where we can expect to sell substantial quantities of nonheat-treated [medicine]" and stopped shipping unheated concentrate in July 1985.[3]
According to The New York Times, doctors and patients contacted overseas said they had not known of the contents of the Cutter documents. The effects are close to impossible to calculate. Since many records are unavailable and because it was a while until an AIDS test was developed, one cannot know when foreign haemophiliacs were infected with HIV - before Cutter began selling its safer medicine or afterward.[3]
The New York Times found these largely unnoticed documents ("internal memorandums, minutes of company marketing meetings and telexes to foreign distributors") as part of the production in connection with the American haemophiliacs lawsuits described below.[3] Sidney M. Wolfe, director of the Public Citizen Health Research Group, which has been investigating the industry's practices for three decades, called them "the most incriminating internal pharmaceutical industry documents I have ever seen."[3]

[idb]

Read and follow links or watch the video for the 3 minute version.

This is why people with more than half a brain continue to question the wisdom of blindly following Pharma industry/ CDC/ Govt dictates as to medical treatment and in particular vaccines. Because it is simple idiocy. Be aware of the risks before you accept their advice.

https://youtu.be/4absF7ykstc


Contaminated haemophilia blood products were a serious public health problem in the late 1970s through 1985. These products caused large numbers of haemophiliacs to become infected with HIV and hepatitis C. The companies involved included Alpha Therapeutic Corporation, Institut Mérieux (which then became Rhone-Poulenc Rorer Inc., and is now part of Sanofi), Bayer Corporation and its Cutter Biological division, Baxter International and its Hyland Pharmaceutical division.[1] Estimates range from 6,000 to 10,000 haemophiliacs in the United States becoming infected with HIV.[1][2]
Factor VIII is a protein that helps the clotting of blood, which haemophiliacs, due to the genetic nature of their condition, are unable to produce themselves. By injecting themselves with it, hemophiliacs can stop bleeding or prevent bleeding from starting; some use it as often as three times a week.[3]
In 1981 concern was growing over an unidentified infectious disease associated with immune system collapse that would later become known as AIDS. In the U.S. it was found mostly in homosexual men and intravenous drug users, while in France doctors were finding it in a more diverse group of patients.[4] On July 16, 1982, the United States Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) reported that three haemophiliacs had acquired the disease.[3] Epidemiologists started to believe that the disease was being spread through blood products, with grave implications for haemophiliacs who had routinely injected themselves with concentrate made from large pools of donated plasma, much of which was collected commercially by plasmapheresis in cities that had many homosexuals, IV drug users and former prisoners, as well as inside many prisons.[3] Without an accurate infection test, health officials had no way to determine how many plasma donors carried it.
In January 1983, the manager of plasma procurement for Bayer's Cutter Biological division acknowledged in a letter that "There is strong evidence to suggest that AIDS is passed on to other people through ... plasma products."[3] In March 1983, the CDC warned that blood products "appear responsible for AIDS among haemophilia patients."[3] By May 1983, a Cutter rival began making a heat-treated concentrate and France decided to halt all clotting concentrate imports.[3]
Cutter feared losing customers, so according to an internal memo, Cutter "want[ed] to give the impression that [they were] continuously improving our product without telling them [they expected] soon to also have a heat-treated" concentrate.[3] The process rendered the virus "undetectable" in the product, according to a government study.[3]
By June 1983, a Cutter letter to distributors in France and 20 other countries said that "AIDS has become the center of irrational response in many countries" and that "This is of particular concern to us because of unsubstantiated speculations that this syndrome may be transmitted by certain blood products."[3] France continued using older style, untreated concentrate through until August, 1983.[3]
Sales to Asia and Latin America
On February 29, 1984, Cutter became the last of the four major blood product companies to get US approval to sell heated concentrate.[3] Even after Cutter began selling the new product, for several months, until August 1984, the company continued making the old medicine.[3] One reason was that the company had several fixed-price contracts and believed that the old product would be cheaper to produce.[3]
Bayer officials (responding on behalf of Cutter) issued a statement, stating that Cutter continued to sell the old medicine, "because some customers doubted the new drug's effectiveness", and because some countries were slow to approve its sale. The company also said that a shortage of plasma, used to make the medicine, had kept Cutter from manufacturing more of the new product."[3] Bayer officials also claimed that an overall plasma shortage in 1985 kept Cutter from making more heat treated medicine; however, because Cutter was using some of its limited plasma to continue making the old product, they may have contributed to the shortage.[3] While Bayer said that "procedural requirements" imposed by Taiwan slowed down their ability to sell the new product, according to The New York Times, Hsu Chien-wen, an official at Taiwan's health department, said in 2003 that Cutter had not applied for permission to sell the heated medicine until July 1985, a year and a half after doing so in the United States.[3] Cindy Lai, assistant director of Hong Kong's health department, said that Cutter needed only to get an import license in the 1980s to sell the newer product in which "It normally [takes] one week."[3]
While the new product was selling well for Cutter, a Cutter company meeting notes that "There is excess nonheated inventory", which resulted in the company deciding to "review international markets again to determine if more of this product can be sold."[3] Cutter decided to sell millions of dollars of the older medicine to Asia and Latin America while selling the new, safer product in the West, to avoid being stuck with large stores of a product that was proving increasingly unmarketable.[3]
In late 1984, when a Hong Kong distributor asked Cutter about the newer product, records show that Cutter asked the distributor to "use up stocks" of the old medicine before switching to its "safer, better" product.[3] Several months later, once haemophiliacs in Hong Kong began testing positive for HIV, some local doctors began to question whether Cutter was dumping "AIDS tainted" medicine into less-developed countries.[3] Cutter denied the allegation, claiming that the unheated product posed "no severe hazard" and was in fact the "same fine product we have supplied for years."[3] By May 1985, when the Hong Kong distributor told of an impending medical emergency, asking for the newer product, Cutter replied that most of the new medicine was going to the US and Europe and there wasn't enough for Hong Kong, except for a small amount for the "most vocal patients."[3]
The United States Food and Drug Administration helped to keep the news out of the public eye. In May 1985, the FDA's regulator of blood products, Harry M. Meyer Jr., believing the companies had broken a voluntary agreement to withdraw the old medicine from the market, called together officials of the companies and ordered them to comply.[3] Cutter's notes from the meeting indicate that Meyer asked that the issue be "quietly solved without alerting the Congress, the medical community and the public" while another company noted that the FDA wanted the matter solved "quickly and quietly."[3]
At the same time, a Cutter official wrote that "It appears there are no longer any markets in the Far East where we can expect to sell substantial quantities of nonheat-treated [medicine]" and stopped shipping unheated concentrate in July 1985.[3]
According to The New York Times, doctors and patients contacted overseas said they had not known of the contents of the Cutter documents. The effects are close to impossible to calculate. Since many records are unavailable and because it was a while until an AIDS test was developed, one cannot know when foreign haemophiliacs were infected with HIV - before Cutter began selling its safer medicine or afterward.[3]
The New York Times found these largely unnoticed documents ("internal memorandums, minutes of company marketing meetings and telexes to foreign distributors") as part of the production in connection with the American haemophiliacs lawsuits described below.[3] Sidney M. Wolfe, director of the Public Citizen Health Research Group, which has been investigating the industry's practices for three decades, called them "the most incriminating internal pharmaceutical industry documents I have ever seen."[3]

So, let me get this straight...you're questioning the efficacy and safety of vaccinations, and the agenda of the medical professionals, because of some instances of corruption and poor quality control?

Have you ever eaten chicken and suffered food poisoning...do you still eat chicken?
Doesn't that prove that Big Chicken (or Big Cock maybe) is out to get us?

[flyingcrocodile46]

So, let me get this straight...you're questioning the efficacy and safety of vaccinations, and the agenda of the medical professionals, because of some instances of corruption and poor quality control?

Have you ever eaten chicken and suffered food poisoning...do you still eat chicken?
Doesn't that prove that Big Chicken (or Big Cock maybe) is out to get us?

Deliberately and knowingly selling HIV infected medication isn't a matter of poor quality control. And yes, I consider proof positive of multiple instances of corruption allowing this sort of practice to occur as sufficient reason to question the wisdom of blindly accepting big pharma's advice and products. If you don't, you're a fuckwit.

I haven't felt a desire to research the eating of big cock. Though I have previously stated in this thread that I am confident that the sheep of the world would suck a poisonous cock if the state told them it was a titty. Did your pappy tell you that it was a cure for the common cold? Did it work?

Note: for all those who have extreme comprehension difficulty (which appears to be most of the KB membership). I have not and do not advocated complete abstinence from Vaccines. All I have ever advocated is that individuals need to be sure that ALL of the risks (each way) are understood and properly considered. I have and will continue to take vaccines when I consider the risk/consequence of not taking them outweighs the risk/consequence of taking them.

We have a duty to ourselves, our children and each other to make the fucking effort to be as fully informed about these life changing/threatening issues as we possibly can. Frankly speaking, it is my opinion that anybody who disagrees with that statement is a fucking moron and likely a bigger liability to the health and welfare of our species, than the perceived threat to the heard posed by those who avoid vaccinations.

[mada]

Deliberately and knowingly selling HIV infected medication isn't a matter of poor quality control. And yes, I consider proof positive of multiple instances of corruption allowing this sort of practice to occur as sufficient reason to question the wisdom of blindly accepting big pharma's advice and products. If you don't, you're a fuckwit.

I haven't felt a desire to research the eating of big cock. Though I have previously stated in this thread that I am confident that the sheep of the world would suck a poisonous cock if the state told them it was a titty. Did your pappy tell you that it was a cure for the common cold? Did it work?

Note: for all those who have extreme comprehension difficulty (which appears to be most of the KB membership). I have not and do not advocated complete abstinence from Vaccines. All I have ever advocated is that individuals need to be sure that ALL of the risks (each way) are understood and properly considered. I have and will continue to take vaccines when I consider the risk/consequence of not taking them outweighs the risk/consequence of taking them.

We have a duty to ourselves, our children and each other to make the fucking effort to be as fully informed about these life changing/threatening issues as we possibly can. Frankly speaking, it is my opinion that anybody who disagrees with that statement is a fucking moron and likely a bigger liability to the health and welfare of our species, than the perceived threat to the heard posed by those who avoid vaccinations.

Your earlier post about HIV and hemophiliacs has a valid point that many businesses put profits before people (as in any industry). However two key things from that posting you appear to have overlooked:

1. It refers to "Epidemiologists" (an Epidemiologist is usually a Medically trained Doctor who studies disease and its effects on populations) who became concerned that plasma products were potentially the source for increased HIV transmission.
2. "Local doctors" in many different countries began questioning the products.

Last time I looked, there is no widespread questioning or concerns from doctors and health workers in regards to vaccines. And if anyone were to see the side effects it would be them...

Complete crock to claim they are merely following the government and sucking big pharma's cock when your article shows otherwise.

[idb]

Deliberately and knowingly selling HIV infected medication isn't a matter of poor quality control. And yes, I consider proof positive of multiple instances of corruption allowing this sort of practice to occur as sufficient reason to question the wisdom of blindly accepting big pharma's advice and products. If you don't, you're a fuckwit.

I haven't felt a desire to research the eating of big cock. Though I have previously stated in this thread that I am confident that the sheep of the world would suck a poisonous cock if the state told them it was a titty. Did your pappy tell you that it was a cure for the common cold? Did it work?

Note: for all those who have extreme comprehension difficulty (which appears to be most of the KB membership). I have not and do not advocated complete abstinence from Vaccines. All I have ever advocated is that individuals need to be sure that ALL of the risks (each way) are understood and properly considered. I have and will continue to take vaccines when I consider the risk/consequence of not taking them outweighs the risk/consequence of taking them.

We have a duty to ourselves, our children and each other to make the fucking effort to be as fully informed about these life changing/threatening issues as we possibly can. Frankly speaking, it is my opinion that anybody who disagrees with that statement is a fucking moron and likely a bigger liability to the health and welfare of our species, than the perceived threat to the heard posed by those who avoid vaccinations.

I hope you have the same issues with everything you buy, how do you know that the plane you're in hasn't had shortcuts taken in building, how do you know milk you're drinking hasn't got salmonella in it because some company saved money by not cleaning their lines?
As far as comprehension difficulties are concerned - it's interesting that you read something about eating cock into my post...does that happen a lot to you?

[oldrider]

When all else fails (or even wins) it's the immune system that does the business in the end:http://drsircus.com/medicine/how-to-...eid=783acdf144 Pamper it.

[Ocean1]

Complete crock...

Well yeah, obviously.