Thinking of getting vaccinated?

[Katman]

On top of that, they aren't anywhere near in the autistic spectrum.

Yay for you.

[husaberg]

Well, Yokels child has my sympathy - I mean just wait till Daddy tries to help with their Maths and Physics homework, if they arent hospitalized before then from a preventable virus

Assuming that hes the father of the child that is yet to be born, It also will have 1/2 of yokels genetics, it therefor should have all our sympathy..........

[TheDemonLord]

Are you saying no child has ever suffered severe and lasting adverse reactions due to their vaccinations?

There are those that have suffered the known side effects, but these are known, There are zero however that have developed Autism or any other 'Psychological setback' directly caused by a Vaccination.

Are you saying all those parents who say their child has, are imagining things?

Yes.

Just like all those people that say God exists are imagining things.
Just like all those people that say they were abducted by Aliens are imagining things.
Just like all those people that say that 9/11 was an inside job are imagining things.

Let me put it in a way that you understand - almost every child gets Vaccinated (93% I think is the current rate, previously was as high as 99%), Some children develop conditions, it is therefore inevitable that sometimes a Vaccine dose will coincide with something else happening - but it does not mean that it caused that thing to happen.

To put it another way - its like you drinking a glass of water, getting hit by a car and saying 'I drank some water before the accident, therefore drinking water causes being hit by a car in special circumstances' - which is as retarded as claiming that Vaccines cause Autism.

Would you stand up in a room full of those parents and tell them that?

It's no different than standing in another other room full of misguided at best or delusional at worst people and telling them that their beliefs are all horseshit.

Fuckwit.

What's the Matter - Jealous?

[Akzle]

Just like all those people that say God exists are imagining things.
Just like all those people that say they were abducted by Aliens are imagining things.

given that you are only able to speak to your own perceptions, that's a big (and stupid) claim.

and how do you explain away >80% of thinking-capable adults having a belief in some kind of god?

do you claim that there is nothing science can't measure?

Just like all those people that say that 9/11 was an inside job are imagining things.

i cbf, so i'm going to share KM's sentiment:
fuckwit.

[TheDemonLord]

given that you are only able to speak to your own perceptions, that's a big (and stupid) claim.

On the Contrary, its simply a statement that there is no objective evidence for any form of God, and a review of history shows that things which used to be attributed as proof of God have, with greater understanding, been shown to be in fact a natural (and not supernatural) process or mechanism that can be replicated.

and how do you explain away >80% of thinking-capable adults having a belief in some kind of god?

Some kind, but not the same kind - that should be the hint that it is something we (as humans) made them up. And think on this - if 80% of the adult population are believers (and presumably pray daily to their God(s)) - why are things so fucked up? - to borrow Epicurus on this matter:

Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?

Not to mention Argumentum ad Populum.

do you claim that there is nothing science can't measure?

On the Contrary, only that there are things Science can't measure at this moment in time and that the absence of our ability to measure does not automatically mean God.

i cbf, so i'm going to share KM's sentiment:
fuckwit.

Faith is Faith, so it's to be expected.

[Akzle]

On the Contrary, its simply a statement that there is no objective evidence for any form of God,

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Just like all those people that say God exists are imagining things.

and a review of history shows that things which used to be attributed as proof of God have, with greater understanding, been shown to be in fact a natural (and not supernatural) process or mechanism that can be replicated.

and what of the god that asks no proof?

the absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence.

do you believe dreams to be real? or more accurately, and to avoid you weaseling, do you believe people's perception of dreams to be real?

Some kind, but not the same kind - that should be the hint that it is something we (as humans) made them up.

hints? in science??
i know the platform you're observing from (lets call it ignorance) and going back to your point above god has historically been used to explain phenomena. but again, what of the gods that don't?

Not to mention Argumentum ad Populum.

valid.
but what then gives rise to such a popular idea?

On the Contrary, only that there are things Science can't measure at this moment in time and that the absence of our ability to measure does not automatically mean God.

and the absence of evidence...

Faith is Faith, so it's to be expected.

nono. i think you've proved it more'n once.

[Katman]

There are those that have suffered the known side effects, but these are known, There are zero however that have developed Autism or any other 'Psychological setback' directly caused by a Vaccination.

So the 3.5 billion dollars sitting in the Vaccine Injury Compensation Trust Fund is just there to cover minor headaches and rashes, is it?

[TheDemonLord]

So the 3.5 billion dollars sitting in the Vaccine Injury Compensation Trust Fund is just there to cover minor headaches and rashes, is it?

what part of Known side effects are you struggling to comprehend?

[Katman]

what part of Known side effects are you struggling to comprehend?

Well what side effects are you talking about then?

Do me a favour and see if you can get onto this page. It's the official government website dealing with vaccine injury compensation. For some reason it's not allowing me access to the page. (I think it might be a conspiracy).

http://www.hrsa.gov/vaccinecompensation/

[TheDemonLord]

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Okay then: I have a 300 foot tall, invisible Fire breathing dragon in my Garage who has Magic powers.

Do I have a Dragon in my Garage?
If your answer is yes - then you are either Guillible (in which case, I have $20,000,000 from a recently deceased Prince that you can claim, if you will only forward me a down payment of $10,000 to cover lawyers fees) or you are going to blindly cling to that idea to avoid exposing the hypocrisy of your argument

If your answer is no - then I would ask on what basis you answer no - you could pick any of the following:

It's impossible for a 300 foot tall Dragon to exist in a 3 meter high garage,
Dragons don't exist
There is nothing known in science or nature that is truly invisible
Magic doesn't exist
There is no evidence of any form that any parts of my claim are true

And then I would proceed to say - ah but what if 2 people said it exists, or 10, or 100, or 1000? At what point does the number of people believing in Nonsense become any form of evidence to the contrary? The answer is there isn't. The claim is evaluated on its objective merits. Thus either you believe in my Garage Dragon or you are a hypocrite.

and what of the god that asks no proof?

The proof is not asked by any diety (quite the opposite - they are so fond of Faith) but by the Skeptic who says it's BS.

the absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence.

True, but the proof relies on the person who makes the claim - e.g. that not only is there a supernatural being(s), that exists outside of the laws of nature*, but that we also know which God it is and by extension we know its will.

*Beings of supposed godlike power from possessing technology/science beyond our understanding are not Gods.

do you believe dreams to be real? or more accurately, and to avoid you weaseling, do you believe people's perception of dreams to be real?

Okay - define what you consider perception?

To clarify my position - last night I dreamt of an orgy with the Sweden womens Beach Volleyball team - and yet when I woke up, my hands and face were not covered in liberal amounts of Honey, Oil and dried pussy juice.

I conclude then that it was something I imagined, and in my imagination seemed real, but objectively did not occur.

hints? in science??
i know the platform you're observing from (lets call it ignorance) and going back to your point above god has historically been used to explain phenomena. but again, what of the gods that don't?

Show me a God or God(s) that do not attempt to explain something about the natural world (where we came from, Why Man is special, why bad shit happens etc.)

And yes, the platform I am observing from IS ignorance, the real question is, do you know why I would agree to that?

valid.
but what then gives rise to such a popular idea?

Some of our Innate traits maybe? Our need to explain why we are special, Our need to understand things, Our desire to explain where we came from

and the absence of evidence...

See Above

nono. i think you've proved it more'n once.

Again, Faith is Faith, and the actions of a few fit the pattern to a T.

[TheDemonLord]

Well what side effects are you talking about then?

Do me a favour and see if you can get onto this page. It's the official government website dealing with vaccine compensation. For some reason it doesn't seem to be allowing me access. (I think it might be a conspiracy).

http://www.hrsa.gov/vaccinecompensation/

Yup, its definitely a Conspiracy - I forwarded your IP address to the NSA the other day. If you see someone in a suit pull up - you might want to run and never return.

Vaccines save lives by preventing disease.

Most people who get vaccines have no serious problems. Vaccines, like any medicines, can cause side effects, but most are very rare and very mild. Some health problems that follow vaccinations are not caused by vaccines.

In very rare cases, a vaccine can cause a serious problem, such as a severe allergic reaction.

So, Again - Apart from Known Side Effects (most commonly Allergic reactions, which the people administering have procedures in place for, and for some people with weak or compromised immune systems they can experience something approaching the full virus) - What in all Fuck are you referring to?

[mashman]

[Katman]

So, Again - Apart from Known Side Effects (most commonly Allergic reactions, which the people administering have procedures in place for, and for some people with weak or compromised immune systems they can experience something approaching the full virus) - What in all Fuck are you referring to?

So I'll ask again.....

The 3.5 billion dollars sitting in the Vaccine Injury Compensation Trust Fund is just to cover minor headaches and rashes, is it?

Yup, its definitely a Conspiracy - I forwarded your IP address to the NSA the other day. If you see someone in a suit pull up - you might want to run and never return.

So were you able to access the website?

[TheDemonLord]

So I'll ask again.....

The 3.5 billion dollars sitting in the Vaccine Injury Compensation Trust Fund is just to cover minor headaches and rashes, is it?

See my previous statement - which covers this point entirely. What you are trying to do is setup a Stawman from a position of Stupidity.

So were you able to access the website?

Considering I quoted from the site - what do you think?

[Katman]

Considering I quoted from the site - what do you think?

You quoted something that I didn't know where it came from. Like I said, I can't access the page.

So is there a page in there detailing the compensation payouts?

And what would you define as a 'severe allergic reaction'?