Thinking of getting vaccinated?

[Banditbandit]

Not quite.

The implication being, are people getting vaccinations that are relevant to their situation or are they being encouraged to have vaccinations that they could happily do without.

We do not truly know how long a disease may stay in the environment after it has been largely eradicated in human beings. Unlike bacteria, which are small single-celled organism, viruses are strands of DNA which have been proven to survive in space vacuum.

Human populations gain immunity at something over 90% of the population vaccinated. The dropping rates of vaccination are A worry as they may allow some of these diseases that we thought were historic can re-emerge. Polio is a good example ..

http://www.health.govt.nz/your-healt...-poliomyelitis

I'm sure you were vaccinated against polio - I wonder just how many of our kids born now will be and what will happen if it resurfaces in New Zealand? It will be too late once we start getting new cases here.

[Katman]

We do not truly know how long a disease may stay in the environment after it has been largely eradicated in human beings. Unlike bacteria, which are small single-celled organism, viruses are strands of DNA which have been proven to survive in space vacuum.

Human populations gain immunity at something over 90% of the population vaccinated. The dropping rates of vaccination are A worry as they may allow some of these diseases that we thought were historic can re-emerge. Polio is a good example ..

http://www.health.govt.nz/your-healt...-poliomyelitis

I'm sure you were vaccinated against polio - I wonder just how many of our kids born now will be and what will happen if it resurfaces in New Zealand? It will be too late once we start getting new cases here.

And there are plenty in the medical profession who consider the push for HPV vaccinations to be a scam.

[Banditbandit]

And there are plenty in the medical profession who consider the push for HPV vaccinations to be a scam.

Only time will tell if they are right or not - and the consequences of them being wrong could be disastrous .. we have no cure for the paralysis it can cause ..

[TheDemonLord]

Only time will tell if they are right or not - and the consequences of them being wrong could be disastrous .. we have no cure for the paralysis it can cause ..

And thus we are back to this:

"I've got pretty solid evidence that shows not vaccinating for things such as Measles has a very large risk to the child population - what have you got? Speculation and debunked frauds.... "

Even assuming it is a Scam - this could be a variant of Pascals wager: If your right, we loose nothing, if I'm right, we loose massively.

[Katman]

Even assuming it is a Scam - this could be a variant of Pascals wager: If your right, we loose nothing, if I'm right, we loose massively.

Really?

You think that the people who have had massively negative reactions to the vaccine have lost nothing?

[TheDemonLord]

Really?

You think that the people who have had massively negative reactions to the vaccine have lost nothing?

The individuals may have - but when put in perspective of number of people vaccined vs number of people with serious lifelong complications definitively proved to be caused by the vaccine - it is smaller than most other normal day-to-day activities (like Driving a car for example)

And if you are so incensed by the people that had massively negative reactions - how do you feel about the 3,000 odd dead Japanese children who died in multiple Measles outbreaks?

If you were in anyway consistent with your moral outrage, you would be shedding tears of blood in their memory....

[Katman]

The individuals may have - but when put in perspective of number of people vaccined vs number of people with serious lifelong complications definitively proved to be caused by the vaccine - it is smaller than most other normal day-to-day activities (like Driving a car for example)

Your previous post started with "Even assuming it is a scam....."

Therefore, if it turns out to be a scam then those people have lost massively without any gain for anyone. (Except for Merck).

[Banditbandit]

Your previous post started with "Even assuming it is a scam....."

Therefore, if it turns out to be a scam then those people have lost massively without any gain for anyone.

How can it be a scam? The incidence of these diseases has dropped because of vaccination programmes. There is a definite cause and effect proven link here.

So, whether or not it turns out that some vaccines are dangerous to some people, it cannot be a scam ...

Or can you name a viral disease that has largely disappeared due to a process other than vaccination?

[Katman]

How can it be a scam? The incidence of these diseases has dropped because of vaccination programmes. There is a definite cause and effect proven link here.

You do realise I'm talking specifically about the HPV vaccine, don't you?

[TheDemonLord]

Your previous post started with "Even assuming it is a scam....."

Therefore, if it turns out to be a scam then those people have lost massively without any gain for anyone.

I know I did - if one specific Vaccine turns out to be a Scam, does that discredit ALL vaccines?

You seem to flip and flop between wide sweeping accusations of the whole Pharmaceutical industry and all vaccines, then talk about a singular vaccine when asked for evidence.

[Katman]

I know I did - if one specific Vaccine turns out to be a Scam, does that discredit ALL vaccines?

I never said it did.

[Banditbandit]

You do realise I'm talking specifically about the HPV vaccine, don't you?

No - I missed the reference - my bad.

HPV is relatively innocuous in itself - but it can cause cancers. Like everything in the cancer world, it seems a bit hit and miss - some will get cancer some will not - the same arguments that the tobacco industry use to defend their products .. the hit-and-miss nature means there is no hard proof that it causes cancer ..

Is it a scam? It's too soon on this one - we will not know for quite a number of years whether it has any impact on the rates of cancers following HPV infection.

Would you take the risk?

[Katman]

Would you take the risk?

Well I'm clearly not planning on lining up for an HPV shot, if that's what you're asking.

[TheDemonLord]

Well I'm clearly not planning on lining up for an HPV shot, if that's what you're asking.

I'm going out on a Limb here - but I don't *Quite* think you are the target audience....

[Banditbandit]

Well I'm clearly not planning on lining up for an HPV shot, if that's what you're asking.

Yeah - you're a bit old. If you have it it's too late ...

I'm going out on a Limb here - but I don't *Quite* think you are the target audience....

That's right ...