Thinking of getting vaccinated?

[husaberg]

Really?

Have you got anything that would back that claim up?

NZ only this year just started vaccinating males for HPV in this last year.http://www.arphs.health.nz/public-he.../immunisation/
Also men don't tend to get pregnant thus so they don't get Boostrix vaccination or the additional flu vaccination they generally get at 3/4 gestation.http://www.arphs.health.nz/public-he.../immunisation/
Males never used to get the Rubella booster at 11-13 that stopped when we got the MMR vaccine.http://www.arphs.health.nz/public-he.../immunisation/
Far more likely to get a Flu Vaccine 29 VS 23%
Far more likely to live longer 83.2 VS 79.5
There is more of them than males. 1% MORE
Women are also far more likely to visit a doctor. 7 TIMES A YEAR VS 4.5

I await you not being able to refute any of these easily checked simple facts. thats why you will do the normal katman cop out.
Funny thing is the very fact you don't agree with it makes it 99% likely to be 100% true even without the fact they are simple easily checked facts.

But that's just your stalling tactics so why is it you never mention gestational smoking as being a factor or the fact 4 times more males are diagnosed with autism or the family history for neurological disorders.

Or better still what about cannabis use in pregnancy you are always banging on pot does no harm and how it should be legal but wait its one of the Autism risk factors you dont talk about.

Or what about the real scientifically tested risk factors


Which brings us back to your general hypocritical statements any comments you wish to make or are you happy for your own hypocritical statements to speak for themselves.

Well that almost sounds like you'd be prepared to treat those people with some sort of empathy and compassion......
.......right up till the time they dare to open their mouths and start bleating about their vaccine injured children.
Then they're just fear-mongering fraudsters, right?

YET

Not what you said. the reality is there is no proof. So show us how all the stuff is not proof, all the witness accounts documents etc are not proof.
I note your own source you have quoted agrees \

Fuck off with your 'witness accounts'.
They do nothing to prove any absolute figure.

Then we have.........

There have been about 2000 vaccine injury payouts in the US and about 1000 in the UK.
Do those people have the right to have their stories told?

Funny 2885 of those are for Flu Vaccine out of Billions of vaccinations

YET

It was proven in court to be a forgery. Are you a bit slow on the uptake.
It is also been discredited by nearly 100% of the worlds historians

Three experts were asked to give evidence at the Berne Trial - one chosen by the judge, one by the Jewish plaintiffs and one by the defendents.
The experts chosen by the judge and plaintiffs claimed the Protocols were fake while the expert chosen by the defendents claimed they were authentic.
The fact that the judge chose to side with his own and the plaintiffs experts does not necessarily constitutes 'proof' - it might simply indicate a personal bias..

So the statement that says he might have found something in one child that might mean something that the court considered not worthy to consider even though its made by a jewish doctor its gospel to you to take a statement and use it out of context.
Yet if its a court ruling made with overwhelming supporting evidence you don't like its a jewish Conspiracy seems rather hypocritical.

No, a judge merely ruled it to be a forgery. (A judge with the surname Meyer, no less).
Are you saying that no judge has ever gotten a ruling wrong - or allowed their own bias to sway their judgement?

And by the way, have you bothered to read the sworn affidavit of Dr Andrew Zimmerman yet? (Paying particular attention to paragraphs 8, 9 and 10).

[Katman]

NZ only this year just started vaccinating males for HPV in this last year.
Also men don't tend to get pregnant thus so they don't get Boostrix vaccination or the additional flu vaccination thry generally get at 3/4 gestation.
Males never used to get the Rubella booster at 11-13 that stopped when we got the MMR vaccine.
Far more likely to get a Flu Vaccine
Far more likely to live longer
Women are also far more likely to visit a doctor.

Right, so it was just you talking shit again.

[TheDemonLord]

So how does that compare to your 1 in 1000?

Putting aside your woeful bastardization of different Statistical concepts:

7.3% chance of Autism (claimed), with protection against
vs
0.1% chance of Death
5% chance of serious medical complications with life-long effects
with zero benefits.

Remembering - if the research is true, then any pathogen can cause Autism, so given the proclivities of children to contract various ailments - it's pretty much guaranteed.

So what would you rather - Risk of Autism, with no risk of Death or a guarantee of Autism with a risk of Death.

[Katman]

A long, but very interesting, read.

http://www.greenmedinfo.com/blog/cle...s-cause-autism

[husaberg]

Putting aside your woeful bastardization of different Statistical concepts:

7.3% chance of Autism (claimed), with protection against
vs
0.1% chance of Death
5% chance of serious medical complications with life-long effects
with zero benefits.

Remembering - if the research is true, then any pathogen can cause Autism, so given the proclivities of children to contract various ailments - it's pretty much guaranteed.

So what would you rather - Risk of Autism, with no risk of Death or a guarantee of Autism with a risk of Death.

I think you have calculated that one a bit wrong if it the initial 0.62% THAT HAVE ASD HE WAS SAYING its 7% HE THOUGHT MAY OR COULD HAVE CAME FROM VACCINATION. OR .O7%

Worldwide vaccination cover runs at 85%
The worldwide percentage of people diagnosed with Autism is 0.062% with a 4.3:1 male female ratio
SO 42% OF THE WORLDS POPULATION ARE FEMALES WHO HAVE BEEN VACCINATED YET ONLY 17% OF THOSE 0.62% ARE ARE FEMALES WITH ASD or 0.10%
YET 42% OF THE POPULATION ARE MALES WHO HAVE BEEN VACCINATED, YET 83% OF THE THOSE .62% ARE MALES WITH ASD. OR 0.51%
AS ITS CLEARLY NOT AN EVEN SPLIT IT SEEMS UNLIKELY TO BE TRUELY ANYTHING TO DO WITH VACCINES.
Which begs the quest if the dude that wrote the paper involving only one subject how the heck would he get a 7% result. Sounds more like a margin or error for a negative result.

Old Katspam said he was concerned out Autism ,funny how he wont talk about Cannabis consumption and Autism or even smoking in pregnancy and Autism.
Anyone would think hes fine as long as he gets his legal toke hes been stirring for for years and hes prepared to overlook the Autism connection when it comes to the recreational drugs.

[Katman]

OLD Katspam said he was concerned out Autism funny he wont talk about Cannabis consumption and Autism or even smoking in pregnancy and Autism.
Anyone would think hes fine as long as he gets his legal toke hes been stiring for for years and hes prepared to overlook the Autism connection when it comes to the recreational drugs.

If drug use by a pregnant mother is a factor it usually manifests in a child who shows compromised health and retarded development from birth.

It doesn't explain the incidence of children who are developing normally but show almost immediate regression following vaccination.

It sounds like another one of your bullshit 'girls receive far more vaccines than boys' claims.

(And your 'pregnant mothers receive flu vaccines' observation does nothing to discount the possibility that the flu vaccine could adversely affect the unborn child).

[husaberg]

If drug use by a pregnant mother is a factor it usually manifests in a child who shows compromised health and retarded development from birth.

It doesn't explain the incidence of children who are developing normally but show almost immediate regression following vaccination.

It sounds like another one of your bullshit 'girls receive far more vaccines than boys' claims.

(And your 'pregnant mothers receive flu vaccines' observation does nothing to discount the possibility that the flu vaccine could adversely affect the unborn child).

Sounds like you know buggar all about ASD maybe you should do a bit of research about the receptors and the effects of Cannabis use in Gestation.
The evidence of the effects of Cannabis is far clearer than anything you posted
Children that were developing normally until given a vaccination is a Wakefeild derived fallacy.

Explain how its to do with Vaccine when Japans use is low yet they have the highest rates of ASD
Also why
The worldwide percentage of people diagnosed with Autism is 0.062% with a 4.3:1 male female ratio
SO 42% OF THE WORLDS POPULATION ARE FEMALES WHO HAVE BEEN VACCINATED YET ONLY 17% OF THOSE 0.62% ARE ARE FEMALES WITH ASD or 0.10%
YET 42% OF THE POPULATION ARE MALES WHO HAVE BEEN VACCINATED, YET 83% OF THE THOSE .62% ARE MALES WITH ASD. OR 0.51%
AS ITS CLEARLY NOT AN EVEN SPLIT IT SEEMS UNLIKELY TO BE TRUELY ANYTHING TO DO WITH VACCINES.
Girls do receive more vaccinations in NZ i showed you that i showed when and why.
https://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/s...post1131122896
You just looked like a fool for not knowing it,So you try and pretent it was never backed up. much like you going on about the court settlements you inferered were measles vaccine injury which were 85% flu vaccine.
I also showed why your latest figures simply don't stack up.

[Katman]

Explain how its to do with Vaccine when Japans use is low yet they have the highest rates of ASD

Maybe Japanese people have a higher genetic susceptibility to mitochondrial dysfunction.

[husaberg]

Maybe Japanese people have a higher genetic susceptibility to mitochondrial dysfunction.

only the misses the fact that the majority of Autism is genetically transferred.
Also as your math is rather yokel like
you might want to do the maths to support it.
The worldwide percentage of people diagnosed with Autism is 0.062% with a 4.3:1 male female ratio
SO 42% OF THE WORLDS POPULATION ARE FEMALES WHO HAVE BEEN VACCINATED YET ONLY 17% OF THOSE 0.62% ARE ARE FEMALES WITH ASD or 0.10%
YET 42% OF THE POPULATION ARE MALES WHO HAVE BEEN VACCINATED, YET 83% OF THE THOSE .62% ARE MALES WITH ASD. OR 0.51%

Maybe you could also post why it is if the mum smokes Dope and cigarettes during pregnancy she is twice as likely to have an autistic child. than if she just smoke cigarettes.
Also why The Royal College of Psychiatrists (RCP) say there is “growing evidence” that people with serious mental illnesses, like depression and psychosis, are more likely to use cannabis.
In addition they say using the drug regularly appears to double the risk of developing a psychotic episode or long-term schizophrenia.
The RCP also maintains that there is a “clear link” to cannabis use and later mental health issues where someone has a genetic vulnerability.
But wait theres more
Over the course of two years, Dr. Lucy Troup studied the long-term effects of 70 participants who either smoked cannabis, smoked casually, or smoked chronically, according to self-reported data. The study took place in three parts: an implicit emotion test, an explicit emotion text, and an empathy test, where volunteers were asked to view a facial emotion—positive, neutral, or negative—and were rated on their ability to empathize. One of the most surprising results was that cannabis users generally had lower empathy ratings than the control group.
This result has opened up questions around weed and autism, though this current study has not looked directly at the link between the two. "I've been approached by a number of researchers who are very interested in the use of cannabis to treat autism and if the two are related or causal," Dr. Troup says. "We found that when you ask a cannabis user to think about other people's emotions and relate to them, it's harder for them. That inability to empathize would be a parallel to autistic-like behaviors.
Additionally, Dr. Troup also asked participants to undergo an implicit emotional task. Both the control group of non-smokers and the cannabis users were hooked up to an electroencephalogram (EEG) while they were shown faces with positive, neutral, and negative facial expressions, but asked to focus on the sex of the face displayed. Later they were asked to recall the emotions they were shown, and the cannabis users faired much worse with this task than non-cannabis users. From these results, Dr. Troup infers that weed inhibits a person's ability to intuitively identify emotions when they're not explicitly focusing on them.
Increased use of tetrahydrocannabinol (THC) during childbearing years

In utero exposure to drugs that interact with neural pathways has been implicated as an important risk factor for ASD. Cannabis/ tetrahydrocannabinol (THC) is the most widely used psychotropic drug; its use has increased substantially over the past 20 years; moreover, more recent formulations of the drug display enhanced potency due to changes in preparation methods [17]. Currently, cannabis use during pregnancy is estimated at 10%. Recent studies by Passey et al. [18] and Shabani et al. [19] have shown that neural deficits can result from in utero cannabis exposure. Moreover, Siniscalco et al. [20] have suggested that the endocannabinoid (EC) system may play an important role in the integrated IS/CNS developmental pathway that is dysregulated in autism. Their research has shown that the cannabinoid receptor type 2(CBR2) signal pathway is upregulated in peripheral blood mononuclear cells (PBMCs) from children with ASD. This finding raises the possibility that the endocannabinoid (EC) system may be associated with ASD. In addition, the authors found reduced levels of bone marrow differentiated macrophages (BMDCs) in children with ASD that may be linked to altered CBR-2 levels.

Endogenous cannabinoids bind to type-1 cannabinoid receptors in the central nervous system (CNS) to guide neural pattern formation and network connectivity in the developing brain. Research by Cutando et al. provides evidence that THC binding of EC-1 receptors as a consequence of subchronic cannabis exposure may affect these signal pathways, at least in part, by activating microglial cells important to neural function [21]. Similar patterns of cerebellar microglial activation have been documented in the brains of autistic children, suggesting similar pathways may be involved. Tortoriello et al. [22] have recently determined that THC affects EC-1 receptor signaling in the developing fetal brain by altering fetal cortical circuitry, further implicating THC as a potential cause of autism.
Researchers from Georgetown University Medical Center combed through papers studying cannabinoids and their effect on human embryos, using mostly animal models published between 1975 and 2015. They found that Tetrahydrocannabinol or THC, the active ingredient in marijuana, can cross the placenta thus exposing the fetus to the chemical.

“We know from limited human studies that use of marijuana in early pregnancy is associated with many of the same risks as tobacco, including miscarriage, birth defects, developmental delays and learning disabilities, but animal research suggests the potential for many more developmental issues linked with the drug
Cannabinoids can affect the use of folic acid, which is important for normal growth and development of the placenta and the embryo. A deficiency in folic acid can cause low birth weight, increase the risk of spontaneous abortion and neural tube defects like spina bifida.

Researchers also found that THC levels in marijuana that is smoked has increased 25-fold since 1970. The studies, however, did not analyze the harmful effects of smoking marijuana in the animals.
https://www.medicaldaily.com/marijua...sorders-399684
https://broadly.vice.com/en_us/artic...-like-behavior
https://www.omicsonline.org/open-acc....php?aid=68552

[scumdog]

Maybe Japanese people have a higher genetic susceptibility to mitochondrial dysfunction.

Maybe?

That doesn't sound very scientific or factual...

[husaberg]

Maybe?

That doesn't sound very scientific or factual...

Took some finding still true today.

Katman 'evidence' = vague generalisations and obscure physical estimates, often gleaned from agenda-focused internet sites.
Some people would call it gossip. But I'm not that nasty

What he was doing there was running with a maybe based on a a study of one (yes one person) that maybe said a disease might have been caused by exposure to a disease or maybe an antigen in a tiny percent of cases they apply it only to one sex somewhere where they have 2.5 times the rate of autism but a small rate of vaccination.
He goes on about autism using all sorts of made up crap, i mention dope he goes all defensive refuses to consider it, Yet he goes on about all this other crap hat thas no links.

[Scubbo]

my little champ just got 4 vaccines today, pretty brutal for the 15 month old --- 4 in total, 2 at a time in either limb by 2 nurses, poor bastard -- like a pin cushion

i've seen polio and encephalitis/meningitis damage in extended family and friends to bet on a peer scrutinized and highest quality product to protect against such things as best as possible. was/is still very common in places without vaccines, modern medicine is great people...

[TheDemonLord]

A long, but very interesting, read.

http://www.greenmedinfo.com/blog/cle...s-cause-autism

The most interesting thing about that Read is when you get to the actual court report - there are a rather large amount of vague terms 'Might', 'could', 'plausible'... and whilst I'm familiar with the concept of a test case - pinning an entire world view on a single vague case - tsk tsk.

And perhaps the biggest elephant in that piece is the word 'Regression' - you can only regress to something that was pre-existing. So the charge that a Vaccine caused ASD is false, if the case is to be believed at face value:

Vaccination aggravated a pre-existing condition.
Any exposure to any pathogen would have also aggravated said pre-existing condition.

Now - to be fair to you, if someone wanted to do a large scale study to further examine this issue - I'd be 100% for it.

However - given that it doesn't matter if it's a Vaccine or the Real thing that will cause a regression - it's better to be Vaccinated with ASD and be protected from a fatal disease than not be vaccinated with ASD and not be protected from a Fatal Disease.

Because if you think a child can go through the formative years without getting the Sniffles, Vom-Bombs, coughs, Poonamis etc. etc. Then I've got a great deal on the sale of the Auckland Sky Tower for you...

[Katman]

What he was doing there was running with a maybe based on a a study of one yes one person that maybe said a diasese might have been caused by exposure to a disease or maybe an antigen in a tiny percent of cases they apply it only to one sex somewhere where they have 2.5 times the rate of autism but a small rate of vaccination.

Is that even English?

[Katman]

Now - to be fair to you, if someone wanted to do a large scale study to further examine this issue - I'd be 100% for it.

I don't think you would.

In fact, I think your fear of being proven wrong is even greater than your fear of measles or unvaccinated people.