Psychoactive Substances Bill

[Katman]

I agree entirely. We have a user base of several hundred thousand recreational users. I guarantee you the cost of legalising cannabis, setting up a database, asking people to register and then monitoring their health through the current health system would cost by far less than jamming animals full of synthetic crap will be. But nooooooooo, they're too stupid for that. Much better to have criminals profiting.

Unfortunately the government is aware that animals can't sue them in years to come for health issues that arise from the testing.

[mashman]

Unfortunately the government is aware that animals can't sue them in years to come for health issues that arise from the testing.

I get that side of it... however we do it voluntarily (and could apply for a license ), who the fuck are we going to sue and for what reason? We're not the US... yet.

[Katman]

I get that side of it... however we do it voluntarily (and could apply for a license ), who the fuck are we going to sue and for what reason? We're not the US... yet.

Sorry but we're not talking about cannabis here. There would be no need for testing in order for cannabis to be legalised. It's been around forever.

The government were never going to allow themselves to be seen as using their citizens as guinea pigs for testing new synthetic drugs.

[mashman]

Sorry but we're not talking about cannabis here. There would be no need for testing in order for cannabis to be legalised. It's been around forever.

The government were never going to allow themselves to be seen as using their citizens as guinea pigs for testing new synthetic drugs.

In which case you've taken your eye off the ball. Remember that debate they had on the telly when the synthetic drug rep stated that should Cannabis legalised demand for their product would vanish? Why is it called synthetic Cannabis? Yes it has been around for ever and it has only been illegal for a short time because of corporate greed. Cannabis status IS the debate.

Who's a guinea pig? If I choose to smoke it, which I did (and then promptly stopped after a few months use), then I will and no govt will tell me otherwise and no govt should have that power. A bunch of snot nosed spoilt brats and a bunch of propaganda to instill reefer madness into the people. Anyone who has bought into that shit needs their head examined... in fact I'd rather spending the testing money on that.

[Katman]

Cannabis status IS the debate.

Only in so far as it's illegality has led to the synthetic cannabis market.

The question of testing drugs on animals is not about cannabis.

[mashman]

Only in so far as it's illegality has led to the synthetic cannabis market.

The question of testing drugs on animals is not about cannabis.

How can you offer the first statement and then throw up that last statement. Testing of drugs on animals in this case is only because of the status of Cannabis. They're shifting the debate, don't buy it man.

[scissorhands]

NZ is the guinea pig for the whole world

Synthetic highs have a big long term future

albeit.... all because of patenting and manipulation of substances, *for profit* AND POPULATION CONTROLS

All nature based things like opiates, cocaine and cannabis are preferable to users....

But not preferable to companies who want control of the global high market, via patents

Worth a pretty penny indeed..... they will push gangs off the ball and wish to run with it themselves

Current producers doing deals with state but are in for a surprise butt fucking

As far as morality of testing goes, current animal testing of Pharma products is no different, as most of these tests are of substances that do little good, fuck peeps up..... even after testing.

And preferable to users natural options are dismissed as ineffective by corporation paid disinformation bots, who manipulate sheeple brains with ease

FUCK THE SYSTEM, ITS ALL BULLSHIT

[Katman]

NZ is the guinea pig for the whole world

Except that there are many countries that have banned the use of animals in recreational drug testing.

We seem to be falling behind in that respect.

[scissorhands]

Except that there are many countries that have banned the use of animals in recreational drug testing.

We seem to be falling behind in that respect.

bit like the UK banning sow stalls for cheap pork
now they just import it from Poland...
which has set up more farms to cater to the UK market

Why should outspoken non testing countries, risk revolt by testing when NZ will do it for them?

also these same countries use pharma drugs tested on animals

which country the testing is performed in, is really a moot issue, at the end of the day

the peep that buys these products, supports testing no matter where it is performed

I hear NZers also dont care about state supplied and fitted, butt fuck apparatus.... all good mate, she'll be right

[jonbuoy]

Animal testing happens all the time all over the world on nearly every new cleaning product, medicine, vaccine, perfume, makeup, anti aging product- why the sudden outrage?

[Katman]

Animal testing happens all the time all over the world on nearly every new cleaning product, medicine, vaccine, perfume, makeup, anti aging product- why the sudden outrage?

It's not a sudden outrage.

I've always been against the use of animals for the testing of cosmetics or recreational drugs.

The current issue is due to the public presentation of this particular Bill.

[scumdog]

Animal testing happens all the time all over the world on nearly every new cleaning product, medicine, vaccine, perfume, makeup, anti aging product- why the sudden outrage?

Gotta start somewhere...

[jonbuoy]

You must have to be a special kind of person to rub soap into a rabbits eye or inject a dog with something you know is toxic and will cause an animal extreme distress. I can see the reason behind it for life saving medical purposes. But to prove something you already know or just to sell an anti ageing product to someone desperate to hold onto their youth is abhorrent.

Back in the 80's I seem to remember big campaigns against animal testing - wonder why it fell out of the public eye? Humans are disgusting creatures at times.

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[scissorhands]

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