Lane splitting accident

[Banditbandit]

its more important what the police consider it to be.. which pretty much makes your argument invalid.

Bwhahahaha .. when did the police sudddenly become the law of the land .... and when did what the police thought have any relation to reality on KBer ??? (See Bain/Watson/Lundy threads)

[Ratez]

Why don't you ask them? There's a few on here.

I think you'll find an extra lane doesn't start until the road markings indicate it.

Actually I don't mind getting what other police thinks of this if there are any on this forum.

As everyone at the scene was on the biker's side.. after all he was lying on the floor and had to be picked up. Other than the medical staff who gave me assurance after finding out where the bike was. Even the van driver who told the medical staff before leaving the scene that I couldn't see the bike because there were buses behind him, gave his card to the biker for insurance purposes.

If I was at the bus stop and see a guy lying on the floor with an asian driver causing it, I too would point finger at myself.

[Drew]

Actually I don't mind getting what other police thinks of this if there are any on this forum.

As everyone at the scene was on the biker's side.. after all he was lying on the floor and had to be picked up. Other than the medical staff who gave me assurance after finding out where the bike was. Even the van driver who told the medical staff before leaving the scene that I couldn't see the bike because there were buses behind him, gave his card to the biker for insurance purposes.

If I was at the bus stop and see a guy lying on the floor with an asian driver causing it, I too would point finger at myself.

Oh Christ, you're Asian. If you'd said so at teh beginning, we could have all saved some time by telling you it's your fault.

Seriously though, the cops aren't allowed to make public comments as you ask.

[Ratez]

Oh Christ, you're Asian. If you'd said so at teh beginning, we could have all saved some time by telling you it's your fault.

Seriously though, the cops aren't allowed to make public comments as you ask.

I tend to be a closet Asian when it comes to accidents or motor vehicle forums :P.

Ah alright, never considered that. Fair enough.

[jasonu]

I think you'll find an extra lane doesn't start until the road markings indicate it.

One would fucking hope so...

[nzspokes]

Turning traffic always gives way to straight-through traffic.

Yup. Im heading to court as somebody did exactly that to me a while back. He is starting to understand now the point of having insurance.

He has a huge bill coming his way.

[Ratez]

Yup. Im heading to court as somebody did exactly that to me a while back. He is starting to understand now the point of having insurance.

He has a huge bill coming his way.

Third party insurance should be compulsory imho. I dont know why it isnt.

[nzspokes]

Third party insurance should be compulsory imho. I dont know why it isnt.

Neither do I.

[Mom]

Are you sure the 2 wheeled vehicle you hit was a motorbike? This sort of shit riding is usually practised by scooter riders in my experience. Absolutely reckless behaviour on the part of the bike rider. Yes you should have been aware of the possibility of a vehicle filtering up the inside, push bikes do it all the time, but the bloke on the bike is insane!

Many years ago I was riding home from work on the Pakuranga Highway. Busy 3+ laned road. My bike started coughing and spluttering as I approached the lights on the corner of PH and Ti Rakau Drive. In order to get out of the traffic I slipped onto the shoulder, and yes I indicated. Very nearly took a bike cop out. He was busy zooming along on the shoulder of the road with out a care in the world. I gave him due cause to think about that as a prudent thing to do He didn't hit me, but it was close. He could not say a thing...

Fight this one is my advice. You were in the wrong for certain, but if what you describe is correct, there should have been a corresponding ticket for the rider as well. Then again, shit happens and life is not fair.

Bet you never do that again, and I am picking said rider wont be all the keen to be so reckless with his own skin again either.

Best of luck.

I am amazed at the maturity shown by the forum. WTF is happening to this place, in the olden days, you would have been flamed, roasted and told to fuck off

[Ratez]

To be honest I expected to receive some flaming but I thought it is more important to get the opinion of those who bike. Not necessarily to determine who is more wrong but rather if I should just accept the fine and demerit points. I am prepared for the insurance etc.. looking at it on the bright side, I get a new door and side fender!

I am thankful for the input be it for or against my actions in the accident. Everyone has their own reasonings.

I was rather amazed at how little people talked about this when I searched the internet for a type of accident that occurs everyday. I asked for this thread to be deleted but I guess it can serve as future reference.

[bosslady]

why on earth would you want the thread deleted?

[Ratez]

why on earth would you want the thread deleted?

No particular reason. I have read all the replies and think that everything that can be said has been said. I understand the bike was technically legal while I was turning into a driveway. It can stay if you guys want it to stay. But I wont be pushing the blame to the biker nor am I contesting liability. Nor am I pushing for him to receive equal fine. I might contest the fine on me and thats it.

[george formby]

Ratez, on ya for having the pills to post here. I reckon your a far wiser man for this experience. Your accident situation is exactly why motorcyclists have such high ACC levies. We don't dent, we break, regardless of fault.
A typical day in the city, we are only human, shit happens. You had the opportunity to turn, you did so, you got T-boned. Law says your at fault. End of story, ish. Probably one of the most common accidents after car park shunts.
If this accident leaves us with a wiser, dented, chagrined, out of pocket driver, perhaps unfairly & a motorcyclist with a sore hand, scarred bike & great deal more caution in the future then it's a win.
Cram a boat load of disparate vehicles together in a multi lane urban environment & a few will hit each other. Fact.

Not gonna get on a soap box but I think the culprit here is the system. How well trained are we to hold a licence? If you have no real interest in driving or riding craft then it's all down hill from the moment we get our licence. Our road environment was designed for Morris Minors & generally is just being embellished.

When you get on the road get your road head on.

All the best, go get yourself a motorbike. They are amazing fun used responsibly..

[Ratez]

Ratez, on ya for having the pills to post here. I reckon your a far wiser man for this experience. Your accident situation is exactly why motorcyclists have such high ACC levies. We don't dent, we break, regardless of fault.
A typical day in the city, we are only human, shit happens. You had the opportunity to turn, you did so, you got T-boned. Law says your at fault. End of story, ish. Probably one of the most common accidents after car park shunts.
If this accident leaves us with a wiser, dented, chagrined, out of pocket driver, perhaps unfairly & a motorcyclist with a sore hand, scarred bike & great deal more caution in the future then it's a win.
Cram a boat load of disparate vehicles together in a multi lane urban environment & a few will hit each other. Fact.

Not gonna get on a soap box but I think the culprit here is the system. How well trained are we to hold a licence? If you have no real interest in driving or riding craft then it's all down hill from the moment we get our licence. Our road environment was designed for Morris Minors & generally is just being embellished.

When you get on the road get your road head on.

All the best, go get yourself a motorbike. They are amazing fun used responsibly..

Thanks for the post. I do feel a lot better now, it could have been much worse for the both of us. Ultimately neither of us wanted it to happen but shit happens. The one day I wanted to buy breakfast as I had an early meeting, I end up in an accident and missed the meeting. I don't even use that road usually!

Today on a 60km/h road at East Tamaki, there were cars that wanted to cross. I stopped out of courtesy and he proceeded onto my lane while the left lane didn't stop. He flashed his lights for the left lane to stop then crossed the road at speeds way faster than one should cross. It is amazing how many people don't expect bikes. Now I am wondering if I should even be courteous for the driver's own good.

[george formby]

Thanks for the post. I do feel a lot better now, it could have been much worse for the both of us. Ultimately neither of us wanted it to happen but shit happens. The one day I wanted to buy breakfast as I had an early meeting, I end up in an accident and missed the meeting. I don't even use that road usually!

Today on a 60km/h road at East Tamaki, there were cars that wanted to cross. I stopped out of courtesy and he proceeded onto my lane while the left lane didn't stop. He flashed his lights for the left lane to stop then crossed the road at speeds way faster than one should cross. It is amazing how many people don't expect bikes. Now I am wondering if I should even be courteous for the driver's own good.

Drive/ride to survive. Don't let the numptys grind you down, that's Darwinism. A flash should be nothing more than a notification of I see you.

If you want to level the field & stop scratching a hole in the side of your head go do some advanced training. I imply nothing. It's great fun & a revelation for the typical road user. Might get cheaper insurance, too.

My daily commute is riddled with fuckwits, the centre line is a suggestion, but I am in no position to guess why they do what they do. I just have to stay out of the firing line.