Government to pay for sex change??????

[inlinefour]

WTF!!!!!!!!
Vicki Harvey of Opunake is having the op in November at a cost $30,000, which the govt is paying the bill! Whats more "Vicki" is 73 years old! So, according to the NZ govt, we can't afford some life saving operations, but life changing? OK thats allright? First the student load B/S and now this? I'm never voting Labour again! Right, which worthless third party do I vote for as I'm never voting for National as well

[SuperDave]

An issue that must be close to Auntie/Uncle Helen.

[inlinefour]

An issue that must be close to Auntie/Uncle Helen.

Would explain the deap voice and the fugly face!

[myvice]

What the...?
Deep down inside I have always believed I was a Super Bike racer, maybe I can get some government funded skill implanted?
Be happy with a new bike, I could afford one if I wasn’t paying SO MUCH TAX!!!
SO happy its being used for a good cause tho.

[inlinefour]

What the...?
Deep down inside I have always believed I was a Super Bike racer, maybe I can get some government funded skill implanted?
Be happy with a new bike, I could afford one if I wasn’t paying SO MUCH TAX!!!
SO happy its being used for a good cause tho.

I was a dumbarse who paid out almost 28k to get rid of my student loan. I now have a good pay, pay more tax, just so it can be wasted like this????

[idb]

Surely it's only compounding the so-called male shortage?
Very short-sighted of the gummint!

[crashe]

In fact all the NZ governments for the past x amount of years have paid out for x amount of sex changes a year. (thats National and Labour)

This is old news....

There was a 20/20 or 60 minutes segment on it last year.

They have about 20 people apply each year to become transsexuals. (MtF or FtM)
They have to pass a stringent test to get the operation. There are x amount of Dr's who question them and put them throu certain things to qualify.
Not every one qualifys for the operation.

The cost is very high to get the operation done.
Many go on the game to help them pay for it... which is a shame.

There are more mtf than there are ftm.

[Beemer]

This pisses me off, but not as much as all the assistance given to middle-income people WITH kids - what about those of us WITHOUT kids? Why should we have to pay extra taxes for those of you who choose to breed? We have low pay too but because we don't have kids, we get sweet FA in the way of assistance from the government. Quite frankly, I'd vote for any party that offered ANY person on a low income a tax cut or financial assistance. Having kids is a CHOICE and if you can't afford them, DON'T have them! Can you imagine the response if we went to the government and said "I'd love a C-class Mercedes but I really can't afford it, can you help me?"

Having kids is like having animals - if you can't afford to feed and care for them, DON'T bloody have them! And if you DO, don't expect the rest of us to PAY for that decision!

[crashe]

WTF!!!!!!!!
Vicki Harvey of Opunake is having the op in November at a cost $30,000, which the govt is paying the bill! Whats more "Vicki" is 73 years old! So, according to the NZ govt, we can't afford some life saving operations, but life changing? OK thats allright? :

Inlinefour - How would you feel in you knew in yourself that you were not a male, but in fact a female in a males body. And that you had to live that way for years and years... That has to be so hard for these folks.

The government are only making it happen for one or two people a year.
There are so many that want this operation. Many know that they will never ever have the operation and just learn to accept it. But why should they accept it.. Its not their fault that nature played a cruel trick.

It is so hard for these people... many commit suicide.. go on the game to pay for these operations. Some never go throu with the complete operation.

FtM - They dont get a penis put on as they havent ever been able to make it work properly...
MtF - They have the complete operation. They reverse the penis skin inwards.

If it will help, then I agree with the government helping out these folks.

[Ramius]

In fact all the NZ governments for the past x amount of years have paid out for x amount of sex changes a year. (thats National and Labour)

This is old news....

There was a 20/20 or 60 minutes segment on it last year.

They have about 20 people apply each year to become transsexuals. (MtF or FtM)
They have to pass a stringent test to get the operation. There are x amount of Dr's who question them and put them throu certain things to qualify.
Not every one qualifys for the operation.

The cost is very high to get the operation done.
Many go on the game to help them pay for it... which is a shame.

There are more mtf than there are ftm.

If I remember correctly, the furore was because he has historic sex charges against him.

[idb]

This pisses me off, but not as much as all the assistance given to middle-income people WITH kids - what about those of us WITHOUT kids? Why should we have to pay extra taxes for those of you who choose to breed? We have low pay too but because we don't have kids, we get sweet FA in the way of assistance from the government. Quite frankly, I'd vote for any party that offered ANY person on a low income a tax cut or financial assistance. Having kids is a CHOICE and if you can't afford them, DON'T have them! Can you imagine the response if we went to the government and said "I'd love a C-class Mercedes but I really can't afford it, can you help me?"

Having kids is like having animals - if you can't afford to feed and care for them, DON'T bloody have them! And if you DO, don't expect the rest of us to PAY for that decision!

...but having kids benefits the country, therefore parents are carrying out a public service and should be supported.
The extra money that families get is not to reward them for having kids but to help support the kids.
Bringing up children costs more than any benefits that the gummint might pay.

[idb]

I'm sorry but I would rather see that money spent on joint replacements or other cases of sickness.
Not as interesting I know, but much more deserving I reckon.

[idb]

..... why should they accept it.. Its not their fault that nature played a cruel trick.

But it did.
It's not my fault that Iwas born so fuckin' ugly but it's one of those things that I've had to learn to live with and I can't find it within myself to honestly debate that the state should pay for my extreme makeover.

[inlinefour]

Inlinefour - How would you feel in you knew in yourself that you were not a male, but in fact a female in a males body. And that you had to live that way for years and years... That has to be so hard for these folks.

The government are only making it happen for one or two people a year.
There are so many that want this operation. Many know that they will never ever have the operation and just learn to accept it. But why should they accept it.. Its not their fault that nature played a cruel trick.

It is so hard for these people... many commit suicide.. go on the game to pay for these operations. Some never go throu with the complete operation.

FtM - They dont get a penis put on as they havent ever been able to make it work properly...
MtF - They have the complete operation. They reverse the penis skin inwards.

If it will help, then I agree with the government helping out these folks.

But what about the other people who are DYING! that get told, err sorry we do not have the funding to help save your life, err your going to die...
Plus there is a general rule for surgery that if someone if old, then often it is not considered worth while. A 73 year old individual versus a 23, 33, 43 old. Or more to the point, someone with a lfe threatening problem??? If I was confused about my gender then I'd fork out the 30 grand myself. Hell, I've forked out almost 28 grand for my student loan in 2 years

[Dafe]

If you don't want labour back in, your vote is most precious with National, If you don't like national and don't want to see labour in either, your vote should go to NZ First, any other votes will be wasted as the other third parties are not going to make the cut.