Occupy Kiwi Biker Movement

[mashman]

So, how do you get your title?
I wish I was a templar, then I could stand up to you sexual bullies.

You won't need one. You are there, look after it please.
Nah, we'll hog tie you and rape you if you tried to believe that you had any real options.

[ducatilover]

You won't need one. You are there, look after it please.
Nah, we'll hog tie you and rape you if you tried to believe that you had any real options.

Sounds pretty mint to me

[bogan]

Well that's what you've repeatedly stated, it's the best it can be, it's the best it can be... I'm sure unstuck will have some words to say about such an attitude . So you claim that poverty will still exist in "my" society?

Bring pom poms next time and work it.

I have no doubt that all of the local body committees, as well as the higherup committees will share 99% of the characteristics of a monopoly... one of the differences will be the people making up the committee and their motivations. Profit being MUCH harder to eek out of the system where everything is already free and you do not oversee everything yourself. Yup, all sounds familiar.

There will be no need for handouts and charity. Yup, Industry and production will be driven by need and not want and it will be taught in school alongside personal responsibility and population control... and drugs usage and John Cleese style sex Ed.

Which is what I think it is, I've not claimed it is a fact, or that it has been proven to be the best. I think the wbe will never get of the ground due to a distinct lack of wizards.

So the systems are similar, but the people are different? Why don't you get the wizards to just fix the people in our system instead of fixing the people and bringing in a new system?

No handouts, so that means everyone has to work? There will be no welfare system?

[unstuck]

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Wars will stop when we share shit. Nothing to do with being at peace with oneself (as pleasant as that sounds). What you are dismissing is that my path to complete peace (I am closer now than I have ever been) is to create an environment where the concerns aren't the every day struggle. Til then we'll be led around by the nose by the minority who see war as a profitable venture. I, ahem, aim to remove the the ability to profit. It might actually help.[/QUOTE]

People who are completely at peace share stuff with everyone, because they realize the nature of life is sharing. When you are at peace, there is no struggle. Poverty is a state of mind, for the person at peace with themselves, there is no poverty in their life.

[mashman]

Which is what I think it is, I've not claimed it is a fact, or that it has been proven to be the best. I think the wbe will never get of the ground due to a distinct lack of wizards.

So the systems are similar, but the people are different? Why don't you get the wizards to just fix the people in our system instead of fixing the people and bringing in a new system?

No handouts, so that means everyone has to work? There will be no welfare system?

You think it is and my think it is are exactly the same, but different . The wizards exist... although are there enough of them........ yeah, I reckon the, giving the right environment thing would bring out the best in those who have always wanted to do better.

As above, a lot of them will be one in the same. Changing the people where the environment doesn't exist to support that change doesn't work, hence we have more people doing more bad things with every increasing sums of money being required to get into ever more exclusive running things clubs. It ain't always the right people for the right job where it really should be... or as best as at that time. In fact of someone better comes along, I see no reason why the better person can't help the already holding the position person or indeed to share the position. Something a financial system can't afford. The system is broken and has been for hundreds of years and it'll be easier to install one built for purpose instead of patching the current system. I say that because the patching hasn't worked despite 2000+ years of trying.

There will be no welfare system. There will be a job there for everyone. Some will work longer and harder than others. Some won't work at all (disability or laziness). Why support the lazy's. Well why are they supported at the moment? Why let them have access to the same things the workers would have access to? To stop them from taking what others have. Why would anyone work? Why would anyone not work? Would you rather have a system that promotes war, poverty, ok standard healthcare, ok standard education etc... ad all because of a minority that don't work, or would you rather have the best of everything and put in the effort required to have that system? Pretty straight forwards questions and I'd rather have the best of everything and suffer the lazy's than not.

[unstuck]

I'm highly disappointed in Unstuck for creating this money system, he never mentioned it to me. I think he just wants me for teh sex.

No, thats not true. You can fix stuff for me when the sex is done.

[mashman]

People who are completely at peace share stuff with everyone, because they realize the nature of life is sharing. When you are at peace, there is no struggle. Poverty is a state of mind, for the person at peace with themselves, there is no poverty in their life.

I agree... however that state of mind is more often than not driven by the environment that surrounds them. How can the peace come if the surroundings define a persons level of peace? Perhaps the peaceful will number enough to make that environment available for all? However there will still be people that give a fuck not and they will have kids that will either follow their example or follow the example of society. If they are the choices (not discounting yours, but just highlighting the immediate interactions/examples that kids see/have) then who has more of an affect on the kid? One is potentially violent and oppressive, the other is welcoming and friendly.

[bogan]

You think it is and my think it is are exactly the same, but different . The wizards exist... although are there enough of them........ yeah, I reckon the, giving the right environment thing would bring out the best in those who have always wanted to do better.

As above, a lot of them will be one in the same. Changing the people where the environment doesn't exist to support that change doesn't work, hence we have more people doing more bad things with every increasing sums of money being required to get into ever more exclusive running things clubs. It ain't always the right people for the right job where it really should be... or as best as at that time. In fact of someone better comes along, I see no reason why the better person can't help the already holding the position person or indeed to share the position. Something a financial system can't afford. The system is broken and has been for hundreds of years and it'll be easier to install one built for purpose instead of patching the current system. I say that because the patching hasn't worked despite 2000+ years of trying.

There will be no welfare system. There will be a job there for everyone. Some will work longer and harder than others. Some won't work at all (disability or laziness). Why support the lazy's. Well why are they supported at the moment? Why let them have access to the same things the workers would have access to? To stop them from taking what others have. Why would anyone work? Why would anyone not work? Would you rather have a system that promotes war, poverty, ok standard healthcare, ok standard education etc... ad all because of a minority that don't work, or would you rather have the best of everything and put in the effort required to have that system? Pretty straight forwards questions and I'd rather have the best of everything and suffer the lazy's than not.

Neither of which are fact or proven, but one of us asserts they are regardless, so no, not exactly the same.

same old conjecture, look, if you can find wizards, just magic the shit out of those in positions of power in the current system, job done.

Some don't work at all, yet are given the same access to resources etc as others who do a lot of work? Isn't that the definition of a handout or welfare system? Except the wizards right, we can't let them lay of the antilaziness spells that are the only thing between your societies decay into worldwide poverty; seriously, if there are too many lazy people your system will crash harder than any stock market or food famine ever seen.

[unstuck]

I agree... however that state of mind is more often than not driven by the environment that surrounds them. How can the peace come if the surroundings define a persons level of peace?

Then I would suggest said person needs to redefine their definition of peace. If you need an environment that is conducive to obtaining peace, then your peace will be short lived. Be happy and peaceful under ANY and ALL circumstances for a day or two, and you will know where I am coming from.

[mashman]

Neither of which are fact or proven, but one of us asserts they are regardless, so no, not exactly the same.

same old conjecture, look, if you can find wizards, just magic the shit out of those in positions of power in the current system, job done.

Some don't work at all, yet are given the same access to resources etc as others who do a lot of work? Isn't that the definition of a handout or welfare system? Except the wizards right, we can't let them lay of the antilaziness spells that are the only thing between your societies decay into worldwide poverty; seriously, if there are too many lazy people your system will crash harder than any stock market or food famine ever seen.

So you claim that poverty will still exist in "my" society? irrespective of everything being made available to everyone free of charge? Doesn't sound much like logic to me.

Cool. You won't mind the taxpayer forking out billions in severance packages then?

If that is the definition of a handout and welfare, then everyone having access to the same things would mean that they're all taking handouts and welfare. You think I haven't considered that? The rollback plan is a financial system and if people have voted for "my" system, then I would have thought it pointless to suddenly stop working in order to return to that which they removed? And of course you will accept that a real financial crash will have the same things happen?

[mashman]

Then I would suggest said person needs to redefine their definition of peace. If you need an environment that is conducive to obtaining peace, then your peace will be short lived. Be happy and peaceful under ANY and ALL circumstances for a day or two, and you will know where I am coming from.

I've been doing that for the last year or so. Several days of ommmmm, to days of holy fuck how can people be treated this way by other people. I can't, maybe refuse to, find that peace whilst others are getting butt fucked by those who choose that as their world.

[unstuck]

I've been doing that for the last year or so. Several days of ommmmm, to days of holy fuck how can people be treated this way by other people. I can't, maybe refuse to, find that peace whilst others are getting butt fucked by those who choose that as their world.

But the ones who are getting butt fucked by others as you put it, have choices too. Nobody has to stay oppressed or victimized, it is a choice, maybe an unconscious choice, but a choice non the less.

[scumdog]

So you claim that poverty will still exist in "my" society? irrespective of everything being made available to everyone free of charge? Doesn't sound much like logic to me.

Of course 'poverty' will still exist - some will be greedy and grab all they can (and hold onto it until there's a shortage) and the meek'n'weak will miss out - hell, even chimps are greedy and will take more than they need.

(I don't know why I even bother with this thread - being on it is like pissing in the snow - it feels good signing your name in yellow snow but it shortly disappears and nothing's been achieved and nobody else will notice)

[bogan]

So you claim that poverty will still exist in "my" society? irrespective of everything being made available to everyone free of charge? Doesn't sound much like logic to me.

Cool. You won't mind the taxpayer forking out billions in severance packages then?

If that is the definition of a handout and welfare, then everyone having access to the same things would mean that they're all taking handouts and welfare. You think I haven't considered that? The rollback plan is a financial system and if people have voted for "my" system, then I would have thought it pointless to suddenly stop working in order to return to that which they removed? And of course you will accept that a real financial crash will have the same things happen?

It's all or nothing poverty, either nobody is poor or everyone is, and since you're yet to produce a wizard I very much think it would fall in the latter category.

Nah, wizards can cover that shit too I'm sure.

Nope, only those contributing less than they take would be effectively taking handouts and wellfare, the rest would be providing them.

It's good to have a rollback plan. On the voting thing, the way I see it going down, everyone votes, the bludgers form the majority core of your votes but other join in to give enough to pass it. The higher earners and those of high productivity (but not all of course) then say fuck this lark, I'm taking my money overseas and leave. Now you have a less productive population trying to produce more with only national incentives (ie, on a personal level people can just say, nah, let someone else do it). Of course the more likely outcome will simply be china who by that times owns about 47% of NZ just goes 'the fuck you doing with our property?' and drops troops then annexes the whole country, yay! now we are communists right? China has fuck all poverty so we'll be fine

[ducatilover]

No, thats not true. You can fix stuff for me when the sex is done.

Fuck you. Your system has meant cake isn't free.