Human behaviour?

[Banditbandit]

This thread is not about either of those subjects but about the hypocrisy of human behaviour.

Have you only just worked out that human beings are hypocritical ??? Where you been all your life ???

[Banditbandit]

Because perfectly good dogs are available?

Oh yeah .. I'm sure .. "Excuse me Fido, how does this subtance make you feel? Are you high yet? Do you feel a little light headed? Do you feel sick? is it better or worse than cannabis?"

Canines are the PERFECT test subject for psycho-active substances .. Yeah Right !!!

[imdying]

Oh yeah .. I'm sure .. "Excuse me Fido, how does this subtance make you feel? Are you high yet? Do you feel a little light headed? Do you feel sick? is it better or worse than cannabis?"

Canines are the PERFECT test subject for psycho-active substances .. Yeah Right !!!

Their physiological makeup is adequate for the purpose... it's not ideal, but then they didn't make ideal astronauts either.

[Katman]

Their physiological makeup is adequate for the purpose... it's not ideal, but then they didn't make ideal astronauts either.

There are in vitro tests available that produce far more accurate results than any testing done on animals.

In today's age there is no need for animals to be used.

[Drew]

It's human nature.

We are all hypocrites and liars. But I don't think it's natural.

+1
People are illogical.

The majority, being meat eaters, clearly support large scale animal suffering (factory farming) for something as arbitrary as 'it tastes good'.

It's not just about taste. We are omnivorous by design/evolution. Veges and meat are what our bodies are supposed to use for sustenance.

And as most cosmetics are tested on animals the majority clearly support small scale suffering (animal testing) for something as arbitrary 'it looks good'.


It'd be logical to assume the majority would support small scale suffering for something equally as arbitrary as 'it feels good'...but apparently they don't.

It gets ignored more than accepted I think. Goes back to the hypocrisy.

I know I'd much rather small scale, short term suffering (animal testing) to improve safety and er..enjoyment of life for other humans than large scale, long term suffering (lifetime in a sow crate/battery cage) for the sake of big-macs, KFC, steak etc.

But that's not the only foods meat is used for is it? I'd prolly miss the odd feed from those retailers for a month or so, but would likely move on without too much worry if they ceased to be. If I couldn't get any meet products to eat at all, I'd scream blue fucken murder!

True!

Basically it probably all comes down to how "hungry" (read with circumstances in mind) the person is at the time of the decision making!

Interesting ethical dilemma that one. If someone is 'jonesing', they're agreeing to the waiver is essentially under duress. The only way it could be legal, is if the drug manufacturers signed people with no history of taking drugs...Which they could then be liable for a shit load of addicts, and in even deeper shit still.

[Thaeos]

Watching the news items concerning the animal testing of "legal high' drugs protests, this thought crossed my mind.

How many of those protesters support abortion on demand?

This thread is not about either of those subjects but about the hypocrisy of human behaviour.

I.E. On the one hand, outraged about discriminate animal suffering but quite happy to indiscriminately kill perfectly healthy human beings!

I have no preconceived opinions on either subject but do wonder about the consistency of human behaviour at these times. Just wondering?

Except that a foetus is not a perfectly healthy human being?

[mashman]

We are all hypocrites and liars. But I don't think it's natural.

There's also no such thing as human nature.

[oldrider]

Except that a foetus is not a perfectly healthy human being?

You quoted it but then ignored it.

This thread is not about either of those subjects but about the hypocrisy of human behaviour.

[Mushu]

+1
People are illogical.

The majority, being meat eaters, clearly support large scale animal suffering (factory farming) for something as arbitrary as 'it tastes good'.
And as most cosmetics are tested on animals the majority clearly support small scale suffering (animal testing) for something as arbitrary 'it looks good'.


It'd be logical to assume the majority would support small scale suffering for something equally as arbitrary as 'it feels good'...but apparently they don't.



I know I'd much rather small scale, short term suffering (animal testing) to improve safety and er..enjoyment of life for other humans than large scale, long term suffering (lifetime in a sow crate/battery cage) for the sake of big-macs, KFC, steak etc.

So you're a vegan then? Fuck that, I love KFC, eggs, bacon and pork, and I'm not rich enough to warrant paying extra for "free range", more battery hens, more sow crates I say and if animal testing is necessary then by all means, go ahead.
The issue here is if cannabis were legal there would be no market for these drugs anyway and no matter how much they test it I doubt they can make it safer than pot is known to be.

[oldrider]

Have you only just worked out that human beings are hypocritical ??? Where you been all your life ???

I sometimes wonder, especially lately, AGE is taking it's toll.

[Thaeos]

You quoted it but then ignored it.

This thread is not about either of those subjects but about the hypocrisy of human behaviour.

Well that's my point. You have that disclaimer, then say you have no preconceived notion about the topic, and then give a preconceived notion about it.

To suggest that these people are hypocritical, you suggest that abortion is the ending of the life of a perfectly healthy human being. Which it's not.

So, where's the hypocrisy?

[Ender EnZed]

Why can we not just test the drugs on the people who actually want to take it??? problem solved.

That's exactly what was happening before Peter Dunne got involved.

[ducatilover]

The issue here is if cannabis were legal there would be no market for these drugs anyway and no matter how much they test it I doubt they can make it safer than pot is known to be.

I wouldn't go as far as saying that. They're two different things entirely


Humans are impossibly stupid.

[Mushu]

I wouldn't go as far as saying that. They're two different things entirely


Humans are impossibly stupid.

I mean the issue with the specific case of testing legal highs on animals, in my experience the only reason people smoke K2 and stuff like that is because they either can't get weed or they expect to be drug tested in the near future

[Drew]

I mean the issue with the specific case of testing legal highs on animals, in my experience the only reason people smoke K2 and stuff like that is because they either can't get weed or they expect to be drug tested in the near future

Drug testing being the fuckin stupid system that it is, I almost wish I smoked weed sometimes.