David Shearer quits

[Banditbandit]

The question was about debt.
Do you think the banks are the only source of credit?

We give credit every time we accept that we get paid the week after we have earned the money - all companies run on the credit granted by their workers ... and usually pay off the debt every two weeks ..

Real people earn it.

One of these days it'll sink in.

: That is so simplistic as to be laughable ...

So I see on the news we'll be paying for these Labour leader wannabes to fly around the country to settle a party leadership debate. Why the fuck isn't the party paying for it?

-Indy

Yeah .. despite DonKey saying on TV3 last night that everyone does it and he didn't have a problem with it I do .. it may not be against the rules .. but it is certainly not ethical ...

But then - expecting ethical behaviour from politicians is a bit like expecting I'll get a blowjob from Pamela Anderson



It's possible - but never likely to happen ...

[SPman]

So I see on the news we'll be paying for these Labour leader wannabes to fly around the country to settle a party leadership debate. Why the fuck isn't the party paying for it?

To answer your quote with another quote....

The three contenders for the Labour leadership have confirmed taxpayers are stumping up for the cost of them flying around the country to pitch for votes.

Labour MPs are also likely to charge their flights to the taxpayer for attending any of the 12 candidates meetings planned around the country over the next two weeks.

The three contenders - Grant Robertson, David Cunliffe and Shane Jones - confirmed they would use the travel perk to campaign over the next two weeks.

But they will pay for all their other expenses, such as accommodation, out of their own pockets.

As they should. While the Speaker's Directions allow unlimited domestic air travel, they only fund accomodation for "parliamentary business". But while its unquestionably within the rules, does that make it right?

Firstly, we pay for MP's domestic travel not just so they can get from their constituencies to Wellington and back every sitting week, but also to allow them to fulfil their wider democratic purpose. Communicating policy. Investigating problems. Talking to us. We pay for them to show up en masse in Christchurch or Greymouth to show solidarity in the wake of a disaster, and we pay for them to go to South Auckland to launch employment policy outside a closed factory, because its their job to do those things. They are part of our democratic conversation - something we want our MPs to be full participants in.

But MPs aren't just individuals - they are members of political parties. And those parties play an important role both in the House and in our democratic conversation. Which is why the Speaker's Directions state that "Parliamentary business" includes "any function that... a party could be reasonably expected to carry out in its capacity as a party, and that complements the business of the House of Representatives" (and specifically includes attending caucus and party meetings as examples of "Parliamentary business").

Parliamentary parties need leaders (both in practice and by Standing Orders). The House needs a Leader of the Opposition (ditto). These are democratic and Parliamentary functions. Its a core part of our democracy, and therefore something that should be publicly funded.

[oldrider]

David Shearer didn't resign he was pushed and even I have to admit the timing and the US style road show is impeccable, politically ruthless but impeccable!

Labour is already (and it will continue) gaining maximum exposure with this leadership charade and it will lead them right up to the next election!

National and John Key are going to be toast and "WE" the taxpayers are paying for it all it's just too twee to be an accident!

Scurrilous cunts, they will stop at nothing to gain power! ... All of them!

[scott411]

National and John Key are going to be toast and "WE" the taxpayers are paying for it all it's just too twee to be an accident!
!

John Key is already talking about teaming up with Winston, a National/NZ First with maybe Dunn if he gets back in is still better than a Labour/Greens/Mana party,

next years election will be close, National will get the highest party vote, but will there be enough Coalition partners around to get him into a 3rd term,

[unstuck]

but will there be enough Coalition partners around to get him into a 3rd term,

They will just buy some more, with our tax money.

[mashman]

John Key is already talking about teaming up with Winston, a National/NZ First with maybe Dunn if he gets back in is still better than a Labour/Greens/Mana party,

next years election will be close, National will get the highest party vote, but will there be enough Coalition partners around to get him into a 3rd term,

Dunne may well be done as his constituency don't seem to be happy with him not representing their views. Funny that.

[scott411]

They will just buy some more, with our tax money.

prob still be cheaper than the Helen Clarke free student loan bribe that won her a 3rd term,

[Brian d marge]

The analogy was that Banks are only distributors.
Perhaps it was too acute for you.

Your example was only half of the story given that they are the producers... I also mentioned both debt and credit, not just debt. Each to his own.

Banks produce debt each time they create money.
Nope. But those who extend credit will have gotten that money from a bank at some point or other.

That's like blaming global warming on Petrol Stations.

Besides, you can create debt without money.

No he is right you are wrong ( but in a barter system you can create debt without money )

I pointed out he was talking about fraction reserve banking ... which added content to his posts...

so why dont u STFU , and as for listening to the other idiot , we have already proven the tenor of his posts , ( with actual facts to !)

If it wasn’t for you two morons , we would have to discuss which monkey gets to challenge the dominate male ,,which isnt the real problem , like putting racing stripes on a hillman hunter

Stephen

[SPman]

David Shearer didn't resign he was pushed and even I have to admit the timing and the US style road show is impeccable, politically ruthless but impeccable!

National and John Key are going to be toast and "WE" the taxpayers are paying for it all it's just too twee to be an accident!

He resigned before he was pushed. Shearer would make a great Foreign Minister, but as a party leader he was disastrous!
The taxpayer always pays for it - it applies to all parties - not just Labour - the Nats and co are just as eligible and take full advantage of it.

It's a non event -

Key blows $30m on corporate welfare to privatize Meridian but the real problem is 3 challengers for the Opposition leadership using taxpayer dollars to travel around the country to engage in the democratic process?

John Key is already talking about teaming up with Winston, a National/NZ First with maybe Dunn if he gets back in is still better than a Labour/Greens/Mana party,

You're fucking joking - mind you.......a party lead by a liar and charlatan, teaming up with a lying charlatan, teaming up with a cowardly liar........is this representative of NZ? If so, the country is in worse shape than I thought........

[puddytat]

John Key is already talking about teaming up with Winston, a National/NZ First with maybe Dunn if he gets back in is still better than a Labour/Greens/Mana party,

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Well I definitely think the Labs/Green/Mana would be a more stable Govt with out that egomaniac thats Winston....

[scott411]

Well I definitely think the Labs/Green/Mana would be a more stable Govt with out that egomaniac thats Winston....

imagine if Winston goes the other way, if a Labour/green/NZ first/Mana coalition is not the definition of unstable i don't know what it,

[puddytat]

Only because of Winston though......

[oldrider]

Well I definitely think the Labs/Green/Mana would be a more stable Govt with out that egomaniac thats Winston....

That combination will "appear" to be new and might take nine years before the people wake up and actually throw them out!

If National and Key go back in it will only be three years and then their time will be up and the restless people will do their thing regardless!

The whole country will end up like Auckland and nothing that needs to be done will ever get done before they throw the baby out with the bath water again!

[scott411]

Only because of Winston though......

yes, because Hone will just be awesome in power, hope he would turn up to parliament more than he does now if he does get some power,

[Oscar]

No he is right you are wrong ( but in a barter system you can create debt without money )

I pointed out he was talking about fraction reserve banking ... which added content to his posts...

so why dont u STFU , and as for listening to the other idiot , we have already proven the tenor of his posts , ( with actual facts to !)

If it wasn’t for you two morons , we would have to discuss which monkey gets to challenge the dominate male ,,which isnt the real problem , like putting racing stripes on a hillman hunter

Stephen

Whatever you and he were talking about bore little or no relation to what I was replying to.

Go back and review the original post (or STFU).