David Shearer quits

**Ocean1** · 13th September 2013, 14:09

Originally Posted by mashman

If you contribute then surely you're a citizen? Being told that you can't vote isn't freedom. Even the contribution of the unemployed is an economic necessity. There ya go, no argument

, all is well with the world, just the small matter of freedom that needs sorting out

See, a lot of people don't necessarily see unproductive behaviour costing the rest of society as a contribution.

I reckon votes should be allocated according to how much tax you paid last year, but I’d settle for a vote for anyone who generated actual positive revenue.

And freedom is available to almost everyone. The freedom to behave in ways that shape their lives the way they want.

**mashman** · 13th September 2013, 14:25

Originally Posted by Banditbandit

Yeah, naaa .. maybe ...

The unemployed are not free .. they have no economic freedom at all and are tied to the state is the worst way possible ...

"Corporates" is a legal fiction .. migh as well let Rugby teams vote - they contribute don't they ?? And represent us? Fuck me - most nowadays would never pas an intelligence test ...

But seriously - citizenship gives people rights AND responsibilities .. in balance ... so I like the idea of "contributing" (was the Greek idea - but women and free men don';t contribute) ... the problem again is the definition ..

Universal sufferage is really the only fair answer ... but just sometimes I think .. WTF ???

I r a citizen of the world... tis others and their definitions that keep telling me I'm not. You know where this goes, you want freedom, then ze rulez, regs and associated political bullshit has to go, common sense and personal responsibility have to return.

One for All or fuck the fuck off my planet sums it up better.

**mashman** · 13th September 2013, 14:29

Originally Posted by Ocean1

See, a lot of people don't necessarily see unproductive behaviour costing the rest of society as a contribution.

I reckon votes should be allocated according to how much tax you paid last year, but I’d settle for a vote for anyone who generated actual positive revenue.

And freedom is available to almost everyone. The freedom to behave in ways that shape their lives the way they want.

heh, they would when their money is worth less because of some fucked up macroeconomic notion of the free market that requires unemployment to be in place in order to mitigate wild inflationary fluctuations.

No it isn't. If I can't pluck an apple of my neighbours tree without them being able to have me charged, then there's no freedom.

**oldrider** · 14th September 2013, 08:33

This Labour leadership wank is really just that .... no matter how they dress it up .... it's still just a wank .... sex with one's self!

simply make do at best!

**Ocean1** · 14th September 2013, 09:08

Originally Posted by mashman

heh, they would when their money is worth less because of some fucked up macroeconomic notion of the free market that requires unemployment to be in place in order to mitigate wild inflationary fluctuations.

No it isn't. If I can't pluck an apple of my neighbours tree without them being able to have me charged, then there's no freedom.

It's only you that trundles out that "unemployment necessary" bullshit, dude. It just ain't so.

And I'd say there aren't too many that want thieves much freedom at all, let alone any control over policy.

**mashman** · 14th September 2013, 11:02

Originally Posted by Ocean1

It's only you that trundles out that "unemployment necessary" bullshit, dude. It just ain't so.

And I'd say there aren't too many that want thieves much freedom at all, let alone any control over policy.

Aha, even though the RBNZ have stated that it is a measurement for controlling inflation... yup, seems it's only me that knows that secret. I'd post up the proof, again, but the document has been "removed".

erm, erm, erm... quaint that you believe that you are the owner of your property. You ain't. You lease it. The owners can take it off you anytime they like. Yup, the same folk that control policy too.

**Ocean1** · 14th September 2013, 13:17

Originally Posted by mashman

Aha, even though the RBNZ have stated that it is a measurement for controlling inflation... yup, seems it's only me that knows that secret. I'd post up the proof, again, but the document has been "removed".

erm, erm, erm... quaint that you believe that you are the owner of your property. You ain't. You lease it. The owners can take it off you anytime they like. Yup, the same folk that control policy too.

Right. The bogeyman.

Again.

Old.

**mashman** · 14th September 2013, 14:59

Originally Posted by Ocean1

Right. The bogeyman.

Again.

Old.

Not the bogeyman, the RBNZ. You don't know these things? And I bet you consider yourself to be a conscientious voter too.

**awa355** · 14th September 2013, 18:13

Originally Posted by oldrider

This Labour leadership wank is really just that .... no matter how they dress it up .... it's still just a wank .... sex with one's self!

simply make do at best!

Larry, Joe and Moe.

' NZ's Got Talent ' / ' the X Factor ', FFS! Key must be laughing.

**Brian d marge** · 14th September 2013, 22:36

I wonder which bogeyman controls the lending rate

Stephen

**Ocean1** · 14th September 2013, 23:22

Originally Posted by Brian d marge

I wonder which bogeyman controls the lending rate

Stephen

I do.

If it's not right I don't borrow.

**mashman** · 15th September 2013, 00:28

Originally Posted by Brian d marge

I wonder which bogeyman controls the lending rate

Stephen

No such thing... they just act on what the computers tell them is happening in the world, or at least will happen according to the latest and greatest model. What an awesome way to absolve oneself from any responsibility for ones actions.

**Swoop** · 16th September 2013, 08:31

How nice... Cunliffe as leader.

Back to the backstabbing, sniping and general idiotic lunacy that the liarbour party do so well.
This week should be "entertaining".