David Shearer quits

[scott411]

Have you seen him in parliament recently? He sounds half-cut when he asks a question, sits down and falls asleep.

i was watching that yesterday actually, its never been denied that he likes a tipple before evening sittings, wonder how many other jobs you can turn up pissed to

[oldrider]

Personally I don't care who they replace him with, I'd vote for an earthworm if it got rid of the arrogant fuckwits leading our country now. This shit seems to happen in NZ politics too often, second term and we no longer have a democracy just a pack of shitheads passing their own agendas without listening to the public.

MMP makes politicians accountable to "each other" (rather than to the electorate) as they build their little alliances to form their power groups!

The election is a lolly scramble that allows them to identify and form these power groups in order to form a workable government alliance.

We never actually vote the government "in" we (the electorate) only get to vote them "out" the end result of the election is an unknown lucky dip!

Labour (just a meaningless label) and Helen Clark cemented this process into being and all the current politicians are determined to keep it.

All the have to do is try to get a leader with the most public appeal and they can get the most dummies voting for them regardless of political worth and they are in!

[Banditbandit]

This will greatly change how the Labour party acts and the world will be much better for this event.

Yeah right ... a fucking bomb might hange them .. but short of that - they are fucked ..

FUCK. THIS. CUNT.

Winston. The only cunt in government with a set of stones

: Yeah ... I hope they are tied around his ankles then - so we can push him off the wharf ...

Probably a very nice guy, just in the wrong job.

Reckon that ex trade union guy will have a crack ............ fuck that, he'd ruin NZ.

What makes you say that ?? This current bunch have sold us all to foreign capitalists ... subsidized Tiwai point jobs to the tune of $37,500 each - money straight into Rio Tinto pockets ... it would be cheaper to close Tiwai Point and pay the people the dole ...


Huntly coal mines are closing because it is cheaper to ship Indonesian coal to the Huntly Power station than it is to get it from the Huntly mine ... fuck me .. our money goes straight into Indonesian pockets while our people are put on the dole ...

They have sold a large number of new pokie machines to SkyCity in exchange for a convention centre .. pull al the money out of the pockets of peopel and straight into the capitasts pockets ... Key sold out ethics for a convention centre ...


This Government allowed Chinese company to buy a heap of dairy famrs - on the basis that it creates jobs in New ZEaland .. Bullshit - those jobs already existed - so now any profits go straight to China, where as before they stayed here and were spent by New ZEaland farm owners. And the milk is being shipped straigth to China, so there are no jobs in processing here ..

This Government sold Mighty River Power (anyone want to hazard a guess what the real New Zealand shareholder percentage is?) ... and the share price is still below what people paid for those shares . adn the Company is now focussed on maximizing profits (putting up electricity prices) so the shareholders make money - ratrher than on keeping cheap power for New Zealanders and conserving energy ... an that profit now goes to overseas investors .. instead of staying in GodZone ... and the next power compnay on the block wil be ... ???

Don't even go near Governmetn debt - it has increased phenominally under Key's watch ..

And this bunch are going to spy on us all ... Gee .. what a great job this Government has done ..

So .. tell me how is a trade union person going to ruin New Zeakand anymore than it already has been ruined by DonKey and his pals ...

(My spelling and typing fingers do go all to shit when I'm angry ...)

[MisterD]

So .. tell me how is a trade union person going to ruin New Zeakand anymore than it already has been ruined by DonKey and his pals ...

(My spelling and typing fingers do go all to shit when I'm angry ...)

http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/indu...s-on-track-IMF

"New Zealand's economy is holding up better than our trans-Tasman neighbours, who had their 2013 growth prospects pared back 50 basis points to 3 per cent.

But both New Zealand and Australia are forecast to develop at twice the speed of other advanced economies next year, which average just 1.5 per cent growth."

I seriously, seriously, doubt that we'd be in the same place under a Labour government...

[carbonhed]

stuff.co.nz has a poll on the next Labour leader... eight candidates and the leading horse at the moment on 24.2%.... drum roll please... "none of the above". Classic.

[scott411]

http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/indu...s-on-track-IMF

"New Zealand's economy is holding up better than our trans-Tasman neighbours, who had their 2013 growth prospects pared back 50 basis points to 3 per cent.

But both New Zealand and Australia are forecast to develop at twice the speed of other advanced economies next year, which average just 1.5 per cent growth."

I seriously, seriously, doubt that we'd be in the same place under a Labour government...

of course the National Haters dont want to hear that, Labour would have spent more and borrowed more, like they did in australia, and even with their massive mining boom which is slowing their outlook is worse than ours,

[Banditbandit]

http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/indu...s-on-track-IMF

"New Zealand's economy is holding up better than our trans-Tasman neighbours, who had their 2013 growth prospects pared back 50 basis points to 3 per cent.

But both New Zealand and Australia are forecast to develop at twice the speed of other advanced economies next year, which average just 1.5 per cent growth."

I seriously, seriously, doubt that we'd be in the same place under a Labour government...

Let me see .. go here, scroll down to page 5 .. http://www.treasury.govt.nz/governme...3-bg-scnze.pdf


This graph shows the growth of real GDP per capita since 1955 to today - this is a gross measure of our economics - it shows that we contnue to increase our real GDP per capita - almost irrespective of the Government ...

There are two notable dips in this graph ... one when Bolger was PM and the other when DonKey is PM ....

Go here ... http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PA130...er-5-years.htm

DonKey's Government is increasing debt by $61million ... DonKey's Govenment is putting us deeper in the red ...

Plenty of indicators tell me that at one level it doesn't really matter who the Governmetn is . others tell me that this Government is actually making things worse ...

I have never bought the idea that the right is fiscally responsible and the left is fiscally irresponsible - many times it is actually the other way around ... the right wing syphon money off to the capitalist overlords ...(Mighty River Power, subsidies for Comalco, sale of land to Chinese interests) while the left make the money circulate so everyone benefits ...

[Banditbandit]

of course the National Haters dont want to hear that,

No - national htrs like me are prepared to listen - but not to propoganda bullshit

Labour would have spent more and borrowed more, like they did in australia,

Woud they ?? That's a propoganda position - and DonKey's government is increasing their debt by $61 million ... looks to me like National lovers don't want to here that their favourite son is making massive borowings ...

Are National lovers preparded to actually read things like treasury reports and not simply perpetrate the propoganda ???

[Paul in NZ]

Oh for goodness sake...

I think Labour have really dropped the ball here....

The current leader was convinced to go by the first openly lesbian MP (Maryan Street) and the openly gay Grant Robertson could replace him...

While the political classes have done a lot to rectifiy injustices and inequalities regarding gay rights - I'm not 100% sure the voting public (all 3 of them) are quite ready for this... I suspect they will just end up as a single issue (gay rights) group while the far left split off to reform 'New' Labour...

Of course this is entirely right. Originally Labour was the party of choice for the working man... (and woman) BUT since hardly anyone works anymore they are not really required...

[Swoop]

Labour would have spent more and borrowed more

The Lunatic Fringe party had the answer... Just print more money!
Thank fuck the greens are not in power.

[mashman]

Oh for goodness sake...

I think Labour have really dropped the ball here....

The current leader was convinced to go by the first openly lesbian MP (Maryan Street) and the openly gay Grant Robertson could replace him...

While the political classes have done a lot to rectifiy injustices and inequalities regarding gay rights - I'm not 100% sure the voting public (all 3 of them) are quite ready for this... I suspect they will just end up as a single issue (gay rights) group while the far left split off to reform 'New' Labour...

Of course this is entirely right. Originally Labour was the party of choice for the working man... (and woman) BUT since hardly anyone works anymore they are not really required...

They're all just people. Nothing special about them. Some love men, some love women, but they are only people. Putting them up on a platform and holding them as higher mortals only breeds more of them. A party that isn't economy first is sorely needed.

[unstuck]

[scott411]

No - national htrs like me are prepared to listen - but not to propoganda bullshit



Woud they ?? That's a propoganda position - and DonKey's government is increasing their debt by $61 million ... looks to me like National lovers don't want to here that their favourite son is making massive borowings ...

Are National lovers preparded to actually read things like treasury reports and not simply perpetrate the propoganda ???

The Labour policy was to borrow more, by keeping on spending more than national, our public debt to GDP figures are still good when compared to most of the world,

I don't agree with a lot of National Policies, and would have like a tighter budget for sure, and am not a big fan of the asset sales but i can see that it at least keeps some of the kiwisaver funds here, rather than going off shore to find good stable assets to invest in, it makes a change from property being the only option,

both sides have been guilty of not listening to the public, GCSB bill adds to the smacking bill, the less members of parliment , the longer sentences etc,

[Banditbandit]

The Labour policy was to borrow more, by keeping on spending more than national,

Maybe - show me the evidence. Until I see the evidence this to me still looks like rightwing propoganda ... A good piece of evidence would be a link to the Labour Policy saying just that.

our public debt to GDP figures are still good when compared to most of the world,

I don't agree with a lot of National Policies, and would have like a tighter budget for sure, and am not a big fan of the asset sales but i can see that it at least keeps some of the kiwisaver funds here, rather than going off shore to find good stable assets to invest in, it makes a change from property being the only option,

both sides have been guilty of not listening to the public, GCSB bill adds to the smacking bill, the less members of parliment , the longer sentences etc,

Shit - I'm no Labour supporter either .. I haven't voted Labout since 1984 .. but then I'm so far left I will never vote National ...

[Oscar]

Of course this is entirely right. Originally Labour was the party of choice for the working man... (and woman) BUT since hardly anyone works anymore they are not really required...

Labour hasn't been that party for a long time.
I'd love to be a fly on the wall listening to union membership discussing voting options.
If Andrew Little stands, I can see him getting Union backing.