David Shearer quits

[scott411]

Maybe - show me the evidence. Until I see the evidence this to me still looks like rightwing propoganda ... A good piece of evidence would be a link to the Labour Policy saying just that.




Shit - I'm no Labour supporter either .. I haven't voted Labout since 1984 .. but then I'm so far left I will never vote National ...

PAge 223

http://www.labour.org.nz/sites/labou...0Manifesto.pdf

Pay off net debt faster than National from 2017/18 without selling our assets

so before 2017/2018 (like now) they would be paying less debt off, meaning there would be more debt now,


National is not far right enough for me on some issues, but ACT has been useless for at least 3 terms of goverment, and I really have no other choice,

[Oscar]

They're all just people. Nothing special about them. Some love men, some love women, but they are only people. Putting them up on a platform and holding them as higher mortals only breeds more of them. A party that isn't economy first is sorely needed.

But you don't vote.
Why do you care?

[mashman]

But you don't vote.
Why do you care?

I live here and my kids have to grow up here. The rules "they" come up with affect the life of my family. Following on from that, too many people are affected negatively by small groups of people making selfish decisions. I care about their welfare.

[Oscar]

I live here and my kids have to grow up here. The rules "they" come up with affect the life of my family. Following on from that, too many people are affected negatively by groups of people making decisions I don't agree with. I care about their welfare.

I fixed that for you.
If you don't participate in democracy, don't whine.

[Paul in NZ]

Labour hasn't been that party for a long time.
I'd love to be a fly on the wall listening to union membership discussing voting options.
If Andrew Little stands, I can see him getting Union backing.

Totally agree... This could get messy...

[mashman]

I fixed that for you.
If you don't participate in democracy, don't whine.

No need for fixing, it stood in it's own right. Although your scope for what I meant was undoubtedly as shallow as yourself.
I have decided not to vote and therefore I don't participate in democracy? I gotz a bridge in the US for sale if you're interested.

[Banditbandit]

PAge 223

http://www.labour.org.nz/sites/labou...0Manifesto.pdf



so before 2017/2018 (like now) they would be paying less debt off, meaning there would be more debt now,


National is not far right enough for me on some issues, but ACT has been useless for at least 3 terms of goverment, and I really have no other choice,

Thanks for the link.

Yes, I see where you are coming from - but I don't read it that it's Labour policy increase debt. It says payng off debt faster from 2017 ... so they would be paying it back at the current rate now ...

Now I do believe there is a good chance they would increase debt - Governments are Governments after all ... and National are about to increase it significantly ...

What I see is that National claim to be fiscally responsible - and they are not - and they accuse Labour of being fiscally irresponsible and will borrow heaps .. which is equally not true. They are as bad as each other ..

[SPman]

The Lunatic Fringe party had the answer... Just print more money!

You mean - like the USA has been doing the last 3 yrs!

The only chance Labour has is Cunliffe/Parker and a clean out of all the old neo-cons. Cunliffe - who the right and the media are doing their best to disparage is the only one in Labour who could take the fight to the Nats! He is extremely clever/hard working and has the right amount of mongrel in him to actually make a difference! Which is why all the others are doing their damnest to put him down.....he'd show them up for the hierachical tossers they are! Cunliffe would be the only leader that might possibly entice me to vote Labour.

[MisterD]

What I see is that National claim to be fiscally responsible - and they are not - and they accuse Labour of being fiscally irresponsible and will borrow heaps .. which is equally not true. They are as bad as each other ..

I think their claims to be responsible stack up quite well, they've moved the tax balance slightly away from productivity towards consumption, cut government spending whilst leaving it more or less alone in education and health and seem to be getting better value for the $$ they're spending.

Government debt has increased and I'm far from happy about it, I'd have taken the axe to Working for Other Peoples Families and sold 100% of the Meridian et al but the Nats decided that they had to go slowly and leave stuff like that alone rather than risk the electorate booting them out...and I guess at this point, I have to suck up the fact that they were probably right.

[mashman]

Now I do believe there is a good chance they would increase debt - Governments are Governments after all ... and National are about to increase it significantly ...

What I see is that National claim to be fiscally responsible - and they are not - and they accuse Labour of being fiscally irresponsible and will borrow heaps .. which is equally not true. They are as bad as each other ..

Aye... it was one of the election promises/beat ups I seem to remember. Labour are going to increase borrowing by $20 billion to lay the foundations for weathering the GFC. Anyhoo, National decided that that just wasn't right and they've, at least, doubled that borrowing. For me it seemed as though the Reds were trying to mitigate the issue (would that have worked? dunno) where the Blues were borrowing to keep the status quo in the hope that the economy would just come right.

Moving to a more consumption based tax as MisterD seems to approve of seems to neglect the fact that that will leave more people with less money (and less people with more money) to spend and therefore less of a tax take (let alone a "predictable" tax take) will be realised (no I won't provide the info, go find it yourself if you have that much of a bug up your arse)... probably why we've borrowed so much more. Moving the deckchairs just doesn't work. Trying to stimulate growth doesn't work when you sit around doing fuck all, even Ocean would agree with that, and borrowing to ride out a storm? really? fiscal prudence? S'ok though, the next generation's got this shit.

Still, they're all fucked in the head with no original ideas, just more deckchair moving.

[Swoop]

You mean - like the USA has been doing the last 3 yrs!

Yes, because it worked sooo well for them. The greenies obviously don't have televisions to watch the news on. Surely they must have heard a rumour of global financial crisis... somewhere?

Have to agree. Cunliffe is the better choice, but potentially too left leaning to make all the party apparatchiks happy. Parker would be a good deputy leader as well.

[Oscar]

No need for fixing, it stood in it's own right. Although your scope for what I meant was undoubtedly as shallow as yourself.
I have decided not to vote and therefore I don't participate in democracy? I gotz a bridge in the US for sale if you're interested.

How would I pay for your bridge, as you don't believe in money?
Your participation in democracy seems to be limited to you whining about people in politics whilst looking down on the common man.
If you can't be bothered voting, but complain about the outcome, that is shallow...

[avgas]

Now all we need is the rest of the muppet show to follow him. Guy Fawkes had the right idea.

Only honest person with good intentions to walk into parliament.

[Oscar]

Only honest person with good intentions to walk into parliament.

I disagree - there are any number of people who walked into parliament with good intentions.
It's what happened after the walked in the first time that's the problem.

[Brian d marge]

Snip
From the treasury’s statement of intent AGAIN:

The immediate priority is the proposed Initial Public Offering (IPO) of up to 49% of Mighty River Power in
2012/13. Thereafter, our main priority is to apply the mixed ownership model to Genesis Power Ltd,
Meridian Energy Ltd and Solid Energy NZ Ltd.
Financial assets and liabilities
Rising finance costs limit the Government’s ability to pursue more worthwhile initiatives. In order to
minimise debt costs within an appropriate risk profile, NZDMO will continue to market New Zealand Crown
debt instruments to investors

AT what point will you realize , blue green, red ...the real organ grinder IMF/ world bank ...... look at how many ( former and current trough eaters ) are from those venerable institutions ,,

As the World bank and Imf are "Heavily " influenced by the U s of an A ( over 20 % of the voting rights?? not sure on exact %)

Is it no wonder a lot of the "current " laws that have been passed are almost carbon copies , or very similar to American ones ( even the earlier benefit bashing one , one small difference Americans have to pay for their own drug tests! )


So ,,, doesnt matter Who , or what colour is/is to be chosen .....the one that SHOULD be in power is the one who tells the IMF to fk off ( AKA Iceland)

OR has NZ front and centre when making decisions . Unlike Donkey who .....yes well

Stephen
ok found the table , The USA has 16 % the next largest is around 4 % , so might has right

http://www.imf.org/external/np/sec/memdir/members.aspx