Overseas Police recruits.

[Jeremy]

Yes 11m15s I think it is for 2.4km run is pretty tough for a female!!! Considering a male soldier joining the SAS must run a 10:00!!

However 20 secs is nothing!! She could make that up with a new pair of shoes and some no-doze pills!!

(2.4 km) / (10 minutes) = 14.4 km/h
Average speed of someone who is fit is about 20km/h


SAS don't have minimum times.

I've got a mate in the army, and the SAS are so fast that carrying more gear than them managed to lap them during a bush training run.

[Da Bird]

... and have had 3000 applications from the UK and Europe.

No, it was 3000 expressions of interest and up to 100 recruits from overseas to be trained in the coming year. If it was 3000 applications, imagine how many radar detectors you would have on your dash Lou....

B.C

[Da Bird]

Tell me about it. A close friend of mine has been trying to join the police force for the last 6 years but has not been able to get in due to been 20 seconds too slow on the run time.

There has to be something seriously wrong if she can't knock 20 seconds off in 6 years...

[Da Bird]

Sure, the money may be okay, but the job isn't exactly easy (apart from traffic patrol!), they work shifts, and they are often dealing with people who want to kill them.

I work shifts and people sometimes want to kill me too... stopping vehicles is inherently dangerous... you never know if you are going to have to deal with Joe Average or a gang member, so please don't jump on the bandwagon and say traffic patrol is "easy".

B.C

[scumdog]

Yes 11m15s I think it is for 2.4km run is pretty tough for a female!!! Considering a male soldier joining the SAS must run a 10:00!!

However 20 secs is nothing!! She could make that up with a new pair of shoes and some no-doze pills!!

Last time I did it my time was 9m40sec but that was way back when I was 'only' 44 years old.

It's a tough run in any mans (or womans) books.

Tell her to keep trying, she'll get there if she's keen

[Hoon]

(2.4 km) / (10 minutes) = 14.4 km/h
Average speed of someone who is fit is about 20km/h

Hell no!!! You need to be reasonably fit to make 10 minutes. 20kph over 100m maybe but definately not average speed. At that pace you'd break the world record for a marathon!!

The first day of SAS selection is the RFL (required fitness level test - Army equivalent of the PAT). If you don't do the run in less than 10 mins, 55 push ups and 130 sit ups you are back on the bus.

However I still think 11:15 for female police is kind of steep - as tough as a 9:15 for men I reckon. Even the Army has a 1:50 buffer between men and womens times....so much for equal opportunities

[Lou Girardin]

No, it was 3000 expressions of interest and up to 100 recruits from overseas to be trained in the coming year. If it was 3000 applications, imagine how many radar detectors you would have on your dash Lou....

B.C

You're right, I stand corrected. The other 2,900 discovered the true nature of Policing in NZ. I hear that quite a few of the last shipment of import cops were quite shocked at the prioritising of revenue collection here.

[Cibby]

I work shifts and people sometimes want to kill me too... stopping vehicles is inherently dangerous... you never know if you are going to have to deal with Joe Average or a gang member, so please don't jump on the bandwagon and say traffic patrol is "easy".

B.C

I wanna be just like you when i grow up... No Sarscasm intended either.

Most cops that i have come across have been decent enough blokes if you smile at them properly, just hoping i can smile enough if i get caught without my L Plates..

Hmmmm now where did that L Plate go.........

[spudchucka]

Hell no!!! You need to be reasonably fit to make 10 minutes. 20kph over 100m maybe but definately not average speed. At that pace you'd break the world record for a marathon!!

The first day of SAS selection is the RFL (required fitness level test - Army equivalent of the PAT). If you don't do the run in less than 10 mins, 55 push ups and 130 sit ups you are back on the bus.

However I still think 11:15 for female police is kind of steep - as tough as a 9:15 for men I reckon. Even the Army has a 1:50 buffer between men and womens times....so much for equal opportunities

Most the ex military cops I know did their PAT run in crazy times like 8 minutes 30 seconds. The police standard is not easy but it is certainly attainable by anyone, (male or female) that is able bodied and determined enough to make the grade. To knock off 20 seconds she just has to take a drink from the hard creek and go out and do it.

[spudchucka]

You're right, I stand corrected. The other 2,900 discovered the true nature of Policing in NZ. I hear that quite a few of the last shipment of import cops were quite shocked at the prioritising of revenue collection here.

Where did you hear that Lou? Is there a forum for dissaffected ex Pomy cops and ex MOT cops? http://www.whingeyexcops.com perhaps???

[Beemer]

I work shifts and people sometimes want to kill me too... stopping vehicles is inherently dangerous... you never know if you are going to have to deal with Joe Average or a gang member, so please don't jump on the bandwagon and say traffic patrol is "easy".B.C

I meant 'easy' in the sense that someone is either comitting an offence when you see them (speeding, no seat belt, dangerous driving, being drunk when pulled over at a checkpoint, etc.) or they aren't. I certainly wasn't implying the job itself was easy - we used to have three cops (all traffic when it was separate years ago) in the family and I know they didn't view it as easy.

As for the other comments, they were for ALL cops - you ALL work shifts, you ALL at some point have people wanting to kill you (probably more so than the average beat cop!), so don't get me wrong, I wasn't trying to make out that those of you who are on traffic patrol do any less work or are placed in any less danger. I certainly wouldn't want to pull over a car load of drug crazed idiots who may or may not be armed.

All the bike cops I have met have been great - I don't love the highway patrol guys in cars, but hey, you're just doing your job, one most of us would not relish.

[Stroker Girl]

Women have to be able to run 2.4 kms in 11 minutes and 15 seconds for men it is 10 minutes and 15 seconds. Its not that difficult to achieve. Some people have to work harder than others but I have never come across anyone that couldn't achieve the required standard if they had set their mind on it. There is no reason to lower the required standard and there is no reason to make speciall allowances for people just because they have tried really hard.

To correct you only slightly, the Physical Ability Test (PAT) is done when you apply to join, before you go to the police college and before you graduate police college. The only other times you will have to do this particular test is when you are a member of a specialist squad that requires that level of fitness, (armed offenders etc). All cops however have to pass bi-anually a Physical Competancy Test (PCT), which is different to the PAT. The PCT is more of an obstical course that the person being tested has to complete within a certain time, depending upon their age. Having a current PCT is considered a performance appraisal matter, if you don't remain current then you won't get pay rises when they are due etc.

Some overseas jurisdictions have pathetic fitness standards, 1.5 miles in 14 minutes 30 seconds. Thats a joke, you could bloody near walk it in that time. But I guess when the only people applying are fat arsed hamburger eating seppos you don't have a choice but to lower your standards. I hope it never happens here.

I understand what you are saying about it being important to keep a high standard of entrant, but I thought maybe some discretion could have been shown. It seemed a little perdantic to be so strict with the run time when she had all the other attributes to make a great cop. It just made me angry knowing that although the Police desperately need recruits, for the sake of 20 seconds they'd rather employ foreigners who can run faster.... But I guess rules are rules.

Re, the run time, I thought the same myself as I could do it in the time (just) without too much training. All I know is that she really did try her best (even chucked up at the end of the run at one test). I think she is going to give it one more go at the end of the year which I hope will be the one.

[Stroker Girl]

She's sounds grossly over-qualified. Did she refuse to shag the recruiter too?

Ha Ha. No passes made from the recruiters but I can't say the same about some of the cops on the beat we have met over the years. Phwoooah!!! Was those boys in their nice blue uniforms which got her initially interested in the force. Back in high school we even did a geography assigment at the Papakura Police Station with a class presentation (can't quite remember what Policing had to do with Geography!). She was in charge of the videoing and there was an awful lot of zoom shots on police butts scattered throughout the tape!! Had the song"Bad Boys" playing in the background. By memory I think we got an 'A'......

[spudchucka]

I understand what you are saying about it being important to keep a high standard of entrant, but I thought maybe some discretion could have been shown. It seemed a little perdantic to be so strict with the run time when she had all the other attributes to make a great cop. It just made me angry knowing that although the Police desperately need recruits, for the sake of 20 seconds they'd rather employ foreigners who can run faster.... But I guess rules are rules.

Re, the run time, I thought the same myself as I could do it in the time (just) without too much training. All I know is that she really did try her best (even chucked up at the end of the run at one test). I think she is going to give it one more go at the end of the year which I hope will be the one.

If a person can't make the required standard they will not keep up with the demands made of them at the police college. In other words they will probably not graduate. Therefore it would be unfair to allow that person to quit their regular job in the knowledge that they will probably not graduate from the college. Also it is not fair on the other recruits that have made the grade as they willl end up carrying them, (figuratively speaking).

The standards are set for a reason, its not just a figure thats been plucked out of the air. It really is attainable for anyone that doesn't suffer some form of physical dissability. You just have to want it bad and go out and train hard.

[Lou Girardin]

If a person can't make the required standard they will not keep up with the demands made of them at the police college. In other words they will probably not graduate. Therefore it would be unfair to allow that person to quit their regular job in the knowledge that they will probably not graduate from the college. Also it is not fair on the other recruits that have made the grade as they willl end up carrying them, (figuratively speaking).

The standards are set for a reason, its not just a figure thats been plucked out of the air. It really is attainable for anyone that doesn't suffer some form of physical dissability. You just have to want it bad and go out and train hard.

That's what they said about the height requirement. They soon changed that when the PC brigade got onto them.
What's the next standard to drop? Will 3 limbs will suffice? Or an IQ equal to your shoe size?