False flag chemical attacks in Syria. Just shut your eyes and ignore it like sheep

[gwigs]

Good post Croc...I reckon the US will come up with an excuse to attack, they need to feed the Military industrial complex...
Cant have an expensive military sitting around not killing people, plus Halliburton needs more business ....

[gwigs]

That chicks quite hot........

My thoughts exactly....

[Madness]

The nose ring just kills it for me.

[mossy1200]

My thoughts exactly....

If you didn't put your socks in the washer you would hear about for hours.
Maybe just for a short time would be fun.

[mashman]

The nose ring just kills it for me.

Could be useful for holding her where you want her.

[flyingcrocodile46]

So the pundits are applauding what appears to be a resolution to the chemicals weapons threat and the US missile attack threat.

But in reality the only thing the agreement has done is to circumvent a stage of the conflict which might have occurred. (which I think the great majority agree is a good thing).

However, it has done absolutely nothing to solve the core of the problem that has raged for 2 years.

As Hans Blik posed in a video on RT yesterday (copied below) What needs to happen to resolve the conflict, is for the Russians, Qatar, Saudis, Iran, Israel, US and a few others (to make peace between themselves over this one issue) and make an agreement to stop supplying arms to the conflict parties and let them run out of bullets.

This isn't really Syria's war, It is a battlefield where the other players (mentioned above) are trying to further their strategic plans. That is where the core of the problem is and that is where the problem needs to be fixed. A peace process between the actors is for naught when Syria is only the stage and the script writers are calling the shots.

Interestingly, Blik is of the opinion that Assads regime is most likely the culprit in the latest chemical weapons attack.

[flyingcrocodile46]

Just watched the RT version of the announcement about the formal agreement regarding the cataloguing and decommissioning of Syria's chemical weapons.

Of interest is an RT allegation that during the negotiations Kerry acknowledged that there was no way to be sure who used the chemical weapons and conceded that the rebels may have.

Since I found two RT videos of Putin translated by RT reporters into two very different subject matters I am rather more sceptical as to the believability of RT. It will be interesting to see if any other news sources independently verify Kerry's statement. If true, it is a confirmation that he must have been lying through his teeth all the times he adamantly stated that they had definitive proof that Assad's regime used them.

[flyingcrocodile46]

I'm not doing any of this to make people feel bad. I'm doing it because I am sure that 99% of people really don't want to make bad situations worse and really will feel bad about themselves when (if ever) they eventually do find out the truth and realise (in hindsight from lessons in Iraq) that given how obvious it was, they really should have known better and further realise they abdicated responsibility to even pretend they cared enough to be as fully informed as practically possible.

It isn't enough that governments must answer to the people.

The people have to answer to themselves and each other in respect to their individual duty as human beings to be well enough informed to know what their governments are doing and the consequences of those doings, and they must voice their concerns openly that they might either be satisfactorily allayed or properly considered by the community and acted on accordingly. NOT SILENCED

As a species we have a very poor track record in this respect and incomprehensible human suffering is the result of our failure. If it is to change, we must make a concerted (and yes, uncomfortable) never ceasing effort to not only reject the status quo, but to never stop striving to improve on and be more responsible and accountable to and for each other.

[mashman]

Inconsistent news

Hardly surprising given the inconsistency of the sources of news.

I'm not doing any of this to make people feel bad. I'm doing it because I am sure that 99% of people really don't want to make bad situations worse and really will feel bad about themselves when (if ever) they eventually do find out the truth and realise (in hindsight from lessons in Iraq) that given how obvious it was, they really should have known better and further realise they abdicated responsibility to even pretend they cared enough to be as fully informed as practically possible.

It isn't enough that governments must answer to the people.

The people have to answer to themselves and each other in respect to their individual duty as human beings to be well enough informed to know what their governments are doing and the consequences of those doings, and they must voice their concerns openly that they might either be satisfactorily allayed or properly considered by the community and acted on accordingly. NOT SILENCED

As a species we have a very poor track record in this respect and incomprehensible human suffering is the result of our failure. If it is to change, we must make a concerted (and yes, uncomfortable) never ceasing effort to not only reject the status quo, but to never stop striving to improve on and be more responsible and accountable to and for each other.

Must spread etc...

[SPman]

I'm not doing any of this to make people feel bad. I'm doing it because I am sure that 99% of people really don't want to make bad situations worse and really will feel bad about themselves when (if ever) they eventually do find out the truth and realise (in hindsight from lessons in Iraq) that given how obvious it was, they really should have known better and further realise they abdicated responsibility to even pretend they cared enough to be as fully informed as practically possible.

It isn't enough that governments must answer to the people.

The people have to answer to themselves and each other in respect to their individual duty as human beings to be well enough informed to know what their governments are doing and the consequences of those doings, and they must voice their concerns openly that they might either be satisfactorily allayed or properly considered by the community and acted on accordingly. NOT SILENCED

.

sort of like Jefferson's - I know of no safe depository of the ultimate powers of the society but the people themselves; and if we think them not enlightened enough to exercise their control with a wholesome discretion, the remedy is not to take it from them but to inform their discretion, or
- Educate and inform the whole mass of the people... They are the only sure reliance for the preservation of our liberty.

[flyingcrocodile46]

sort of like Jefferson's - I know of no safe depository of the ultimate powers of the society but the people themselves; and if we think them not enlightened enough to exercise their control with a wholesome discretion, the remedy is not to take it from them but to inform their discretion, or
- Educate and inform the whole mass of the people... They are the only sure reliance for the preservation of our liberty.

It seems that the generations that preceded us were at least as on to it as we are, if not a whole lot more.

Must spread yadda yadda

[Banditbandit]

I understand. It was too scary for you to be able to confront and study. The 911 movement is growing bigger and bigger every week as people who are able to break through the barrier of fear and helplessness make the effort to open their eyes and study the scientific facts. Including thousands of engineers and scientists (people who have a clue). Ten more years and fools like you will be in the minority.

You are so full of shit ... It was not too scarey to confront ... It was fucking spectacular .. to be honest ??? When I saw these planes hit the world trade ccentre I thought "good shit - do it again ..." Why ?? Because 'merika has pissed offa a lot of people around the world and some of those people have taken action !!! And a lot of my friends and colleagues thoght exactly the same thing - just that when we say it we get shot by liberal wanking fuckwits like you ..

So I will say it again - the'res a lot of pissed off people in the middle east - they are pissed of with 'merika .. and I don't blame them .. Good shit - do it again ... If I lived in the Middle East there'd be a good chance AI'd be shooting at 'merokans and/or Jews ..

And I'll bet that if you watched you wife and unborn child die in an ambulance at an Israeli checkpoint held up for six hours during a difficult labor, if you watched your children die of curable diseases because 'merika refused to supply medicines - if you watched 'merikan soldeirs shot and kill your family in their own homes - you'd be he same too ..

You don't need to look any further than the anger of may Middle Eastern people and the exprt planning to see why the Twin Towers fell ... And Job Well Done ...

How about you grow some ballas and take action rather than having a wank all over your keyboard !!!

So the pundits are applauding what appears to be a resolution to the chemicals weapons threat and the US missile attack threat.

But in reality the only thing the agreement has done is to circumvent a stage of the conflict which might have occurred. (which I think the great majority agree is a good thing).

However, it has done absolutely nothing to solve the core of the problem that has raged for 2 years.

As Hans Blik posed in a video on RT yesterday (copied below) What needs to happen to resolve the conflict, is for the Russians, Qatar, Saudis, Iran, Israel, US and a few others (to make peace between themselves over this one issue) and make an agreement to stop supplying arms to the conflict parties and let them run out of bullets.

This isn't really Syria's war, It is a battlefield where the other players (mentioned above) are trying to further their strategic plans.

Fuck me - try telling that to the Syrians who are out there fighting and dying for their country ... I'll bet you get a very different answer - you can't make this conflict what you want it to be - it's the ordinary peopel vs Al-Assad ...

That is where the core of the problem is and that is where the problem needs to be fixed. A peace process between the actors is for naught when Syria is only the stage and the script writers are calling the shots.

Interestingly, Blik is of the opinion that Assads regime is most likely the culprit in the latest chemical weapons attack.

I'm not doing any of this to make people feel bad. I'm doing it because I am sure that 99% of people really don't want to make bad situations worse and really will feel bad about themselves when (if ever) they eventually do find out the truth and realise (in hindsight from lessons in Iraq) that given how obvious it was, they really should have known better and further realise they abdicated responsibility to even pretend they cared enough to be as fully informed as practically possible.

Yeah .. and that goes for you too .. the Middle East is a complete cluster fuck .. who is right and who is wrong? Who's side do we back ???

Fuck me .. I don't want to back either side .. it's a total cluster fuck and the middle east needs to sort it out without outside interference. Do you think you can interfere any better than the other fuckers? What arrogance you display ...

[jonbuoy]

I'm not doing any of this to make people feel bad. I'm doing it because I am sure that 99% of people really don't want to make bad situations worse and really will feel bad about themselves when (if ever) they eventually do find out the truth and realise (in hindsight from lessons in Iraq) that given how obvious it was, they really should have known better and further realise they abdicated responsibility to even pretend they cared enough to be as fully informed as practically possible.

It isn't enough that governments must answer to the people.

The people have to answer to themselves and each other in respect to their individual duty as human beings to be well enough informed to know what their governments are doing and the consequences of those doings, and they must voice their concerns openly that they might either be satisfactorily allayed or properly considered by the community and acted on accordingly. NOT SILENCED

As a species we have a very poor track record in this respect and incomprehensible human suffering is the result of our failure. If it is to change, we must make a concerted (and yes, uncomfortable) never ceasing effort to not only reject the status quo, but to never stop striving to improve on and be more responsible and accountable to and for each other.

Dude your not making anyone feel bad - I don´t know if you´ve noticed but I don´t think Obama, Assad, Rebels leaders or the UN are Kiwibiker members - whatever dribble is posted on here is irrelevant what I personally think will not influence what will happen.

I don´t think we should get involved in civil wars that "aren´t our problem" but I can see how these "civil" wars can spread across borders and become global issues. There are no good guys or bad guys, its like trying to break up a pub brawl between two pissed idiots. As Bandit says its all a clusterfuck.

[Banditbandit]

I'm not doing any of this to make people feel bad. I'm doing it because I am sure that 99% of people really don't want to make bad situations worse and really will feel bad about themselves when (if ever) they eventually do find out the truth and realise (in hindsight from lessons in Iraq) that given how obvious it was, they really should have known better and further realise they abdicated responsibility to even pretend they cared enough to be as fully informed as practically possible.

(Cut becuase it was irrelevant)

Tramadol, Codine, Diazepam, Digesic and one other I can't remember 3 x a day keeps reality away

So ... that explains everything ...

[SPman]

As Fisk comments....

Of course, while the inspectors are battering their way through the front lines – if Assad hasn’t got all his weapons in Tartous, Banias and Lattakia on the Mediterranean coast, which I suspect – the Syrians continue to kill each other, the Syrian government goes on trying to break the rebels and the Islamist insurgents go on attacking Christian towns and chopping off the heads of captives. Put bluntly, they can use rifles, shells, knives and swords to slaughter each other – but absolutely no sarin. There is something deeply offensive and deeply cynical about all this.

Once again - it'll all end badly......