False flag chemical attacks in Syria. Just shut your eyes and ignore it like sheep

[flyingcrocodile46]

You are so full of shit ... It was not too scarey to confront ... It was fucking spectacular .. to be honest ??? When I saw these planes hit the world trade ccentre I thought "good shit - do it again ..." Why ?? Because 'merika has pissed offa a lot of people around the world and some of those people have taken action !!! And a lot of my friends and colleagues thoght exactly the same thing - just that when we say it we get shot by liberal wanking fuckwits like you ..

So I will say it again - the'res a lot of pissed off people in the middle east - they are pissed of with 'merika .. and I don't blame them .. Good shit - do it again ... If I lived in the Middle East there'd be a good chance AI'd be shooting at 'merokans and/or Jews ..

And I'll bet that if you watched you wife and unborn child die in an ambulance at an Israeli checkpoint held up for six hours during a difficult labor, if you watched your children die of curable diseases because 'merika refused to supply medicines - if you watched 'merikan soldeirs shot and kill your family in their own homes - you'd be he same too ..

You don't need to look any further than the anger of may Middle Eastern people and the exprt planning to see why the Twin Towers fell ... And Job Well Done ...

How about you grow some ballas and take action rather than having a wank all over your keyboard !!!



Fuck me - try telling that to the Syrians who are out there fighting and dying for their country ... I'll bet you get a very different answer - you can't make this conflict what you want it to be - it's the ordinary peopel vs Al-Assad ...





Yeah .. and that goes for you too .. the Middle East is a complete cluster fuck .. who is right and who is wrong? Who's side do we back ???

Fuck me .. I don't want to back either side .. it's a total cluster fuck and the middle east needs to sort it out without outside interference. Do you think you can interfere any better than the other fuckers? What arrogance you display ...

It seems you really have worked yourself up over your own incorrect suppositions that I am lacking in awareness of the middle east's possible motives or their likely sense of satisfaction that 911 occurred. I don't believe I have said anything that is contrary to your rave about the the middle east. To clarify

1. When first considering that rag heads had been said to be responsible (after shrugging off the absurdity of the notion that a bunch of camel humping tent people could actually execute such a precisely co-ordinated attack) I was routinely engaging in flame wars with redneck fuckwits from the States who had no idea how richly they deserved to be victims of such an attack. A lot of them hated me with a passion equal to the rag heads, but over years (yes I have been sticking it to Rednecks for a long time) I have discovered a lot of good Americans who know their country has acted badly in the middle east since the 50's and I have even swung some of the haters to the other side and moved a lot more from the wrong side of the fence to a position of fence sitters (which is a whole lot better than being on the wrong side). Those people include regular and special force members of the military and lots of Joe Blogs's. Voicing concerns does have a positive (and negative) impact.

2. I despise the state of Israel, but not jewish people.. well not all of them, as I am not a pig ignorant fuckwit like some (waves to Smoko), who will condemn an entire race because of the sins of a few. I have a great deal of sympathy for Palestinians and routinely admonish (concious and unconscious) supporters of zionism for supporting crimes committed by Israel that are every bit as bad as those said to be committed upon jews during WWII.

3. Clearly you have no idea what constitutes action or how different types of action can achieve results. That is an education thing that you need to work through yourself, as I don't wish to hold the class back to suit the limited skills of the 'challenged' members. Anyway, if I didn't "wank all over my keyboard", there wouldn't be anything appropriate for you to get your nose sticky with.

4. Around half of the rebels aren't Syrian and they are financed (ie wages paid and weapons supplied by other countries). Read the fucking papers and get yourself a clue. Even the mainstream media aren't completely hiding that well established fact.

5. You obviously read with your emotions (and imagination) rather than your eyeballs and brain. Where have I advocated that anyone should intervene in Syria? I have been advocating the exact opposite... i.e

"I don't want to back either side .. it's a total cluster fuck and Syria needs to sort it out without outside interference."

That includes all the insurgents, terrorists and mercenaries from and financed by other interfering countries (Which is exactly the problem that I am 'wanking on about').

6. Calm the fuck down and engage your brain before your mouth.

Oh yeah!

7. 911 was a false flag attack that killed over 3000 Americans in order to cover the loss through miss management and theft of hundreds of billions of tax payer money, the murder of investigators and the destruction of investigation records which and who had recently been relocated to the towers and were also located within the destroyed wing of the pentagon.... etc.

Would you like me to find a written transcript so you can refute each and every damning peice of the evidence as you squeeze your eyes shut and glibbly respond 'no yuo', 'no yuo'..? Or would you perhaps prefer to ignore a recomended video documentary which scientifcally demonstrates exactly how far your head is up your arse?

[flyingcrocodile46]

Dude your not making anyone feel bad - I don´t know if you´ve noticed but I don´t think Obama, Assad, Rebels leaders or the UN are Kiwibiker members - whatever dribble is posted on here is irrelevant what I personally think will not influence what will happen.

I don´t think we should get involved in civil wars that "aren´t our problem" but I can see how these "civil" wars can spread across borders and become global issues. There are no good guys or bad guys, its like trying to break up a pub brawl between two pissed idiots. As Bandit says its all a clusterfuck.

People voicing concerns widely is how ideas are conveyed. If good people take the attitude that

what I personally think will not influence what will happen

and they pussy out.. they are selling themselves and everyone else out.

The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.

- Edmund Burke

Carry on

[jonbuoy]

People voicing concerns widely is how ideas are conveyed. If good people take the attitude that and they pussy out.. they are selling themselves and everyone else out.



Carry on

So other than posting youtube videos on Kiwibiker are you actually doing anything about "it". Written to the UN secretary general? Your local MP? John Key? Syrian Embassy? US Embassy? Donated anything to médecins sans frontières? Or the Red Cross?

[flyingcrocodile46]

So other than posting youtube videos on Kiwibiker are you actually doing anything about "it". Written to the UN secretary general? Your local MP? John Key? Syrian Embassy? US Embassy? Donated anything to médecins sans frontières? Or the Red Cross?

Why do you think people who feel uncomfortable with messages, attempt to shift the focus to the messenger rather than simply dismissing or seeking further information concerning the subject message?

[jonbuoy]

Why do you think people who feel uncomfortable with messages, attempt to shift the focus to the messenger rather than simply dismissing or seeking further information concerning the subject message?

I don´t know who responsible for the chemical attacks - maybe Assad maybe the Rebels. Who supplied the chemical weapons - who knows. I´m not uncomfortable with the message at the moment I don´t see enough clear evidence to point the finger at anyone.

Why are you so high up on your moral high horse when you´ve done nothing actively to help?

[flyingcrocodile46]

I don´t know who responsible for the chemical attacks - maybe Assad maybe the Rebels. Who supplied the chemical weapons - who knows. I´m not uncomfortable with the message at the moment I don´t see enough clear evidence to point the finger at anyone.

Why are you so high up on your moral high horse when you´ve done nothing actively to help?

I don't post only here. I post on US forums and community groups in an attempt to get people to look into and think about some of the more worrisome things I can see happening. Whilst I do see some pretty positive results (in respect to increased numbers of people more openly discussing, looking into things further themselves and expanding their concerns by talking about the subject with co-workers) I am a realist and know that the difference I might make is likely only .001% of 5/8 of fuck all. But if 165,000 people do the same it makes more than fuck all difference. Therefore I must be doing more than nothing

BTW.. you are being assimilated

[jonbuoy]

I don't post only here. I post on US forums and community groups in an attempt to get people to look into and think about some of the more worrisome things I can see happening. Whilst I do see some pretty positive results (in respect to increased numbers of people more openly discussing, looking into things further themselves and expanding their concerns by talking about the subject with co-workers) I am a realist and know that the difference I might make is likely only .001% of 5/8 of fuck all. But if 165,000 people do the same it makes more than fuck all difference

So instead of wanking on about it here - why haven´t you contacted any of the people I mentioned? If the subject is so important to you - why don´t you do something Pro-active? Draft a word document that outlines your concerns - post it on here so people can fill out there own names and addresses - supply the addresses and contacts to send the letters/emails to.

Or you could just carry on posting You Tube videos and looking down your nose at other people.

[flyingcrocodile46]

So instead of wanking on about it here - why haven´t you contacted any of the people I mentioned? If the subject is so important to you - why don´t you do something Pro-active? Draft a word document that outlines your concerns - post it on here so people can fill out there own names and addresses - supply the addresses and contacts to send the letters/emails to.

That might be your role. I just want to get people talking

Or you could just carry on posting You Tube videos and looking down your nose at other people.

OK

[jonbuoy]

That might be your role. I just want to get people talking

OK

So really it all comes down to a love of arguing and fluffing your own ego - your not really bothered what happens over there?

[flyingcrocodile46]

So really it all comes down to a love of arguing and fluffing your own ego - your not really bothered what happens over there?

You are still focusing on the messenger rather than simply dismissing or seeking further information concerning the subject message. Are you looking to hook up or something?

Lets talk about your belief that initiating polls and setting up a blog is a better way to go. What makes you think that will make more of a difference and what experience/evidence are you relying on to support your contention?

[mashman]

Why do you think people who feel uncomfortable with messages, attempt to shift the focus to the messenger rather than simply dismissing or seeking further information concerning the subject message?

Because if they had to confront the message, they would stray from the safety of the crowd... which would leave them open to "attacks" by people who are exactly the same as themselves. Best be safe and stick with the crowd, they must know better.

[carbonhed]

Man I love watching lefty wankers arguing over who's the biggest cocksucker. Is it banditbandit who laughed when 3000 people died in New York or the flyingcrocofshit who thinks the Holocaust is dwarfed by Israels treatment of the Palestinians? Tough call but please carry on

[flyingcrocodile46]

Man I love watching lefty wankers arguing over who's the biggest cocksucker. Is it banditbandit who laughed when 3000 people died in New York or the flyingcrocofshit who thinks the Holocaust is dwarfed by Israels treatment of the Palestinians? Tough call but please carry on

Wipe yer chin, then have another go at reading my statement re Palestinians and jews to see if you can find any honesty in your misrepresentation of

"crimes committed by Israel that are every bit as bad as those said to be committed upon jews during WWII" .

It may be a struggle and could possibly be entirely new ground for you, so be sure to take your time and try really hard. After all, it's not a cock, so you wouldn't want to blow it.

[pzkpfw]

Man I love watching lefty wankers arguing over who's the biggest cocksucker. ....

You've seen nothing until you've seen the "the Moon landings were faked" people arguing with the "we landed on the Moon but met aliens who told us to go away" people.


The tin foil fair self combusts.

[jonbuoy]

You are still focusing on the messenger rather than simply dismissing or seeking further information concerning the subject message. Are you looking to hook up or something?

Lets talk about your belief that initiating polls and setting up a blog is a better way to go. What makes you think that will make more of a difference and what experience/evidence are you relying on to support your contention?

No I don´t think a blog or polls is the way to go - where did I suggest that? I suggested writing directly to someone who DOES have influence or donating to a charity that is on the ground in Syria trying to help.

I´not dismissing any evidence - the fact is there isn´t enough evidence to say 100% who is behind the neurotoxin attacks in Syria.