Inside New Zealand

[avgas]

Budget cuts statistic fails to show the massive immigration wave that happened in early 90's also influx of fast food and convenient lifestyles. In 1980's I would get fish and chips once a week and McDonalds / Pizza Hut.
Also the cut in apprentiships - which means less houses......which is why I live in a house from the 1950's not 1990's. Also why I have had to insulate the fucker.

[Ocean1]

Bullshit theft is theft.

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I agree. And even the thieves agree that tax is theft.

So one is preventing the theft of one's money.

And the other is thieving it from the thieves.

[avgas]

Like the idea of robin hodd tax and max wage.

Lets see the govern't try first wage wise then feed all the way down the soe line. FYI many big bosses of govnt stuff make over $500K/year. I hear $700K isn't difficult.

[Ocean1]

In 1980's I would get fish and chips once a week and McDonalds / Pizza Hut.

You greedy bastard.

Also the cut in apprentiships - which means less houses......which is why I live in a house from the 1950's not 1990's. Also why I have had to insulate the fucker.

Fewer houses.

And which apprenticeships? The govt stopped producing engineering and electrical tradesmen way back in the 70s, they never made too many builders in the first place. So the "cuts" in apprenticeships don't have much to do with any shortage of housing, I'd place that squarely at the feet of local authorities and building supply monopolies.

[BMWST?]

So all this left bollocks of they only commit crime because they are poor is it's self bollocks?
Who would have thunk?

I agree. And even the thieves agree that tax is theft.

So one is preventing the theft of one's money.

And the other is thieving it from the thieves.

Until we come up with some other system income tax is it.One of the points made in the program was people have become self centred and less community minded.Like it or not we need to pay taxes to make the place work

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[Ocean1]

Also why I have had to insulate the fucker.

For free. If you have a community services card.

If not you can still get a subsidy. Before the subsidy you could insulate your average home's roof space for about $1500. The govt introduces a $1000 subsidy for the job, available through approved installers.

The job now costs the home owner $1500, and the govt $1000.

Nice one.

[mashman]

You have a real comprehension problem, don't you?
I said the documentry makers point was irrelevant.
The fact that your points are irrelevant is pretty obvious to all concerned.

Not in response to anything I had posted.

[mashman]

Whatever her circumstances in arriving at thst place its not something I like to see in our country and regardless of the politics of the program illustrates that something is broken.there is no way a mother and 3 kids should spend a winter in a tent

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Agreed whole heartedly.

[Ocean1]

Until we come up with some other system income tax is it.One of the points made in the program was people have become self centred and less community minded.Like it or not we need to pay taxes to make the place work

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I agree. But the system is massively convoluted and as I've just shown above open top legal and illegal abuse, which accounts for a fairly large slice of the tax take.

So reduce taxes on your average income earner, so he doesn't need subsidies to take his kid to the doctor or insulate his house, and use the taxes saved from not having to subsidise even high income earners to help those that actually need it.

It's not rocket science.


It's also not how you get enough votes to make those changes...

[avgas]

For free. If you have a community services card.
If not you can still get a subsidy. Before the subsidy you could insulate your average home's roof space for about $1500. The govt introduces a $1000 subsidy for the job, available through approved installers.
The job now costs the home owner $1500, and the govt $1000.
Nice one.

Nope once again I got nothing. Y'see I wanted to do it as cheap as I could cos I can't afford someone to install it. So I did what I could by myself for $300. Because no installer - no subsidy.

You greedy bastard.
And which apprenticeships? The govt stopped producing engineering and electrical tradesmen way back in the 70s, they never made too many builders in the first place. So the "cuts" in apprenticeships don't have much to do with any shortage of housing, I'd place that squarely at the feet of local authorities and building supply monopolies.

a) Sorry didn't finish that sentence due to multitasking (which I fail at) - but basically was saying that Maccas was a once a year thing if I was lucky. The fish and chips once a week were so us kids would shut up in the car while parents did their second job in the weekend (lawn mowing business). But we had to help them to get it.

b) Yeah your probably right - but hasn't CHH and Fletchers been around since 70's. MAF help em too otherwise we would have more imported timbre here.

[avgas]

Until we come up with some other system income tax is it.One of the points made in the program was people have become self centred and less community minded.Like it or not we need to pay taxes to make the place work

Or create more jobs........
For every $1 spend on supporting others I would expect 0.9 to helping them support themselves. Why? because that is what others expecting of me. If we continue this chain of thought we can get to the end where everyone supports themselves.

The alternative is a handout and and expectation that the good times never end.

[mashman]

For free. If you have a community services card.

If not you can still get a subsidy. Before the subsidy you could insulate your average home's roof space for about $1500. The govt introduces a $1000 subsidy for the job, available through approved installers.

The job now costs the home owner $1500, and the govt $1000.

Nice one.

Judging by the many calls I receive at my new home from company's offering me the lagging subsidy, it's up to $1300 now.

[Ocean1]

Nope once again I got nothing. Y'see I wanted to do it as cheap as I could cos I can't afford someone to install it. So I did what I could by myself for $300. Because no installer - no subsidy.

Aye, that was the point I was making, like most subsidies it never makes it to the target. In this case the installers are raking it from both directions, huge discounts from suppliers because they've just been handed huge quantities of buying power and a guaranteed $1k extra profit per job they do.

Taxpayer: 0, Cold homeowner: 0

a) Sorry didn't finish that sentence due to multitasking (which I fail at) - but basically was saying that Maccas was a once a year thing if I was lucky. The fish and chips once a week were so us kids would shut up in the car while parents did their second job in the weekend (lawn mowing business). But we had to help them to get it.

I was being facetious. But I like your Mum and Dad.

b) Yeah your probably right - but hasn't CHH and Fletchers been around since 70's. MAF help em too otherwise we would have more imported timbre here.

They were, but it takes time to eliminate the competition and more time to slowly ratchet the prices so's nobody notices they're twice what they should be.

[Ocean1]

Judging by the many calls I receive at my new home from company's offering me the lagging subsidy, it's up to $1300 now.

I don't want to know that, that's my taxes being frittered away, there.

[mashman]

I don't want to know that, that's my taxes being frittered away, there.

Mine too... but hey, healthier homes n all that, less visits to doctors and hospitals etc... shame the aluminium widows let the whole idea down. Maybe they'll subsidise windows next time