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[Ocean1]

The original point still stands , though at 36% of income in 1950 it would have still been stressful to buy a house if the marker for Mortgage stress was 30 % of income

Stephen

Aye, no doubt.

And as I've said before almost all of the difference in historic house costs is down to the size of the houses. In 1950 a family home was almost universally 100 sqM, now it's well over 200. The rest is explainable by the costs of technology and features that simply weren't available then and would have been considered unaffordable luxuries two generations ago.

Quick google for those who bleat about unsupported opinion....

Here y'go, only goes from 1976 at 121sqM to 2011 at 219, but you get the idea, double the size and what would you expect to happen to the price?: http://www.creative.auckland.ac.nz/w...HRC%202010.pdf

[MisterD]

The rest is explainable by the costs of technology and features that simply weren't available then and would have been considered unaffordable luxuries two generations ago.

You also need to factor in that in 1960 (estimated by Stats NZ) the population was 2.4 million and we're now at 4.48 million, plus ease of travel means that we're not as isolated as we were so foreign money is also exterting upwards pressure.

[puddytat]

That's because right wingers have the intelligence to think and work stuff out for themselves and don't need some jerno hack to manipulate stats to try and make an argument.

Still haven't seen any facts to back your argument yet either but like lefty arguments they never do.
But just for you here are some points that are over looked in his statement.
1) all ages are used in his post,
2) all income (work, investment and benefit) is used in his post,
3) all work (full, part time) is used in his post,
4) all stats he uses is from the 2006 census making them 8 years old,
5) all work types and qualifications have been used in his post,

also fails to show that over 9% are unemployed or not in the lab our force. but are earning over 30K

Funny if you look at the 2006 census you will find that most over the median are in between 24 and 60 maybe that correlates to employment. Who would have thunk.

Well I cant see a problem in using all the above in his article......
See ,like my parents (who are presently enjoying the fruits of staying with the the super scheme that got phased out way back when which was a lefty thing) , you seem like an atypical anal retentive right winger. Why?
Is it because you cant talk to your mates about things because "kiwi blokes dont do that'' 'cause its not cool to acknowledge that your idea of how it should be is not working out how it should & you dont want to be a whinger? Do you talk to your partner (I dont know which way you swing) about the state of the planet or just about Womans weekly stuff.
Your full of it here becuase you hide behind your screen.
So standing up for what you believe in makes you a whinger? FFS.
Is it because when confronted by an inconvienient truth & you were to pay it some mind , then your little bubble looks rather fragile?

[BoristheBiter]

Well I cant see a problem in using all the above in his article......
See ,like my parents (who are presently enjoying the fruits of staying with the the super scheme that got phased out way back when which was a lefty thing) , you seem like an atypical anal retentive right winger. Why?
Is it because you cant talk to your mates about things because "kiwi blokes dont do that'' 'cause its not cool to acknowledge that your idea of how it should be is not working out how it should & you dont want to be a whinger? Do you talk to your partner (I dont know which way you swing) about the state of the planet or just about Womans weekly stuff.
Your full of it here becuase you hide behind your screen.
So standing up for what you believe in makes you a whinger? FFS.
Is it because when confronted by an inconvienient truth & you were to pay it some mind , then your little bubble looks rather fragile?

Yep but he didn't did he? and neither have you come back with anything.

So as you have nothing constructive to add or any rational argument against differing views you lower to personal attacks. now who's hiding behind a keyboard?

Maybe you should just re-read what you have posted here then look up the word hypocrite and see if you can find the similarities.

come back when you have something significant, well anything other than insults, to add.

[Brian d marge]

Aye, no doubt.

And as I've said before almost all of the difference in historic house costs is down to the size of the houses. In 1950 a family home was almost universally 100 sqM, now it's well over 200. The rest is explainable by the costs of technology and features that simply weren't available then and would have been considered unaffordable luxuries two generations ago.

Quick google for those who bleat about unsupported opinion....

Here y'go, only goes from 1976 at 121sqM to 2011 at 219, but you get the idea, double the size and what would you expect to happen to the price?: http://www.creative.auckland.ac.nz/w... AHRC 2010.pdf

using 120 sqm as a base , ending up with a slightly lower , 0.50 still up . some other stuff , will post when have more time

Stephen

[Swoop]

Helen Kelly.

A teacher who is no longer a teacher. A lawyer who never was a lawyer. Now a union boss.
Gotta give her credit - she saw a way to upgrade her career and do less work.

I was at a meeting with her the other day. She speaks very well, especially off-the-cuff.
I wonder if she will be deciding the winner of "NZ's Next Top Liarbour" sideshow?

[avgas]

you know what I meant sonny

Getting on lists and asking for help is for amateurs.
Want something done, what is stopping you?

Many people climb out of poverty on their own accord. None have done it with purely on assistance.

So my donate a tent comment stands. Plenty of abandoned cars to sleep in. I wouldn't wait for the reconstruction to create shelter.

[avgas]

I was at a meeting with her the other day. She speaks very well, especially off-the-cuff.
I wonder if she will be deciding the winner of "NZ's Next Top Liarbour" sideshow?

The best liars are the ones that are uninterrupted and swift.
The worst are the ones that you can see are lying.

I imagine her office chair is very comfy, and her ambitions of power, high.
The people she represents......no so much.
Poor them.

I don't know who pulls the red strings - but I suspect she will have her say regardless.

[avgas]

an anagram of "debit card" is Bad credit

Hey that looks like fun, let me try
WELFARE = FEEL WAR
STOCK PRICE = COCKS TRIPE

[mashman]

Getting on lists and asking for help is for amateurs.
Want something done, what is stopping you?

Many people climb out of poverty on their own accord. None have done it with purely on assistance.

So my donate a tent comment stands. Plenty of abandoned cars to sleep in. I wouldn't wait for the reconstruction to create shelter.

Lack of money/learners plate/skills (an assumption on that last bit) that a single mother with 3 kids been missed off of your list somewhere.

Fair point on the tent... but it's some time down the track innit and she has 3 kids, needing help ain't a bad thing.

[avgas]

Lack of money/learners plate/skills (an assumption on that last bit) that a single mother with 3 kids been missed off of your list somewhere.
Fair point on the tent... but it's some time down the track innit and she has 3 kids, needing help ain't a bad thing.

Everyone needs something. I ain't saying don't help her. I am saying she needs to wake up to the fact that she is in a problem and asks the right questions.
I imagine someone in Chch has some spare timbre and roofing iron to slap a shack over the tent. Or an abandoned car to sleep in.

Once she has that she can see what else the world has to offer.

Drug addicts sleep in tents. You would assume anyone else would be more observant. But in saying that - I think it is bit ridiculous that there are people in tents, and people being chased out of buildings that are better that tents in the red zone.
Needs to be a middle ground in that regard. CERA should have some common sense and let vagrants stay in these houses rather than get cops to chase them out.